Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome

On 2025-04-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:41:06 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
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On 2025-04-27, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

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On Sun, 27 Apr 2025 07:24:08 -0000 (UTC), Borax Man wrote:
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Open Source doesn't really remedy the problem, if you can't modify the
source.

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That’s one of the requirements for it to be “Open Source”.
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<https://opensource.org/osd> -- clause 3.
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Depends on who is defining it.

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That is the official definition.
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So if I define it differently, they'll take me to court?

This is why Fedoras decision irks me a bit.

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You are free not to choose Fedora.
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Yeah, I know.  I was a user.  It irked me.  What is your point?

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The point is you don’t need to be “irked” by something you don’t even use
anyway.
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Read what I typed again.  Its there, just above your reply.

I utilise X specific things, so its fine if some people don't care and
just want Wayland, but the choice should remain.

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The code doesn’t maintain itself.

 
Yeah, I know.  What is your point?  The point I made is stil valid.

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Your “point” seems to be that somebody should do a lot of work maintaining
some old software just to make you happy.

So you missed it then.  It seems you prefer glib comments over comprehension.

No, my point isn't that people need to work to make *me* happy, my point
is a general comment that current systems, and maintenence of current
systems *that are currently in use!*, is important.  You may choose to
priortise what YOU think is important, fine, but there are also other
needs.

The philosophy that people should just be disrupted, and things broken
for "progress", is by and large, well, disruptive and costly.

This is something that software industry likes to do, because they have
a cowboy mentality and like to break things.  One of the biggest tech
companies, that spawned the big pile of caca that is Facebook, literally
had as their motto, "move fast and break things".  Maybe they still do.

Fedora can move ahead if the like, but someone somewhere is going to
have to do the work in their wake.  As long as there are people who use,
or need X, then there will be a demand for maintainence.  If no one can
maintain it, the cost will be born by other transitions or loss of
functionality, or sunk costs in programs which represent recent work
becoming useless.  Some cost, somewhere is going to have to be borne.