Re: Fedora proposing to remove X11 Gnome

On 2025-05-04, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 2025-05-03, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:

On 2025-05-03 06:56, Borax Man wrote:
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For someone with very basic needs, there is absolutely no reason why
Linux wouldn't be better than MacOS. Browsers boot up faster, as do the
photo viewing and management programs. Additionally, you can update it
for as long as you wish to keep the hardware, it only gets discarded
when it becomes irreparable or a chore to use. The thought that one
would have to get rid of their machine because a company like Microsoft
or Apple is no longer willing to supply updates, preventing users from
even using a browser is just ridiculous. Heck, it's inhumane.
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That was exactly our rationale.  $2000 for Apple, or about $600 for a
decent refurbished Thinkpad, to do the EXACT SAME THING.  It was a
no-brainer really.
 
And yes, the "on site tech support" is a feature, and does matter.  She
wanted to play "Carmen San Deigo", on the laptop, knowing how the system
worked, it was easy for me to install DosBox and set up a script which
went straight into the game from an icon.  The "How do I" question gets
an answer.

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Playing DOS games is incredibly easy in Linux considering how many tools
they make available for that. Heck, even playing Windows games is easy.
Even if they were purchased on a service like GOG, you can use Heroic
Games Launcher to log in and play there. Right now, it has a minimal
audio issue, but you can use the "add automatically to Steam" feature to
load the game through the latter where no issues exist. As for my own
needs with laptop, they haven't changed since 2015. I still rip DVDs and
Blu-Rays and I still use the same software that is available in Linux.
The 2021 computer does it faster than the 2015 machine, but it still
results in the same thing. It wasn't that slow on the 2015 machine
anyway. Using an old computer for my needs would be just fine.
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I actually counted the cost of computers for a typical user. If you
bought a machine in 2020 for $2,000 and used it until 2025, you would
have essentially paid $400 a year for hardware that does exactly the
same thing you were doing twenty years earlier, except faster. Perhaps
that $400 number doesn't affect others, but I find that it's a high
price to pay for the luxury of browsing and sending a few e-mails. At
some point, it only makes sense to reject the idea that a new machine
needs to be purchased so often. Heck, five years is conservative; a lot
of people replace them a lot earlier than that. That's just how long I
usually keep my hardware. I'm going to try to go for a decade this time.

 
If you don't play games or do video editing, you could get easily 5
years out of a computer these days.  Now with phones, its harder, you
don't have a viable option.

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You could video edit with older machines too, but I guess the people
doing that are incredibly impatient and will be glad to shell out
another $4k on an Apple machine that saves them thirty seconds from the
previous one. I'm not that kind of person. I'll just wait those thirty
seconds.
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DosBox covers most DOS games, and its generally quite good.  Almost as
good as the real hardware.
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For windows, I have some games like Simcity 4 that work with
Wine/Lutris, but not so much under Windows.
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In fact, I got DOOM 2016 working under Linux, where I couldn't get
Windows 7 installed on it at all.

I'm not a game player, but I use DOSBox-X for WordStar 7, dBase (rarely now)
and a screenwriting program called ScriptThing for DOS. All work well.

I have tried the Zork text games in DOSBox-X, but I'm not bright enough to
get far in these.

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