On 03/06/2025 03:03, Borax Man wrote:
On 2025-06-02, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
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On 6/2/25 04:35, Borax Man wrote:
On 2025-05-31, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 31/05/2025 18:27, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2025 11:07:00 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
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Britain had an Empire once that dealt with all sorts of people. We
aren't as insular as Americans.
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Then the chickens came home to roost...
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By which you mean that the former subjects of the Empire were free
to come to the UK if they knew their place and many of their children
are now participating in the governance of the UK and Commonweath.
Or am I wrong about that?
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Now you are being colonised by the former subjects. Truly colonised in
an irreversible way. India was able to get rid of you.
The UK didn't replace Indian cities with Brits, but India will replace
you.
Not really, India is OK. Indians are very British really.
Its the Islamic invasion that is rather more worrying.
Allowing free movement of former subjects will turn out to be a deadly
mistake.
It isn't free, its just a bit less restricted,.
A people who decide to no longer exist or maintain their nation are just
weak and not worthy of respect.
It isn't the people who decide. It was a cabal of 'elites' lead by the EU.
Brexit won probably because of misguided notions of "sovreignty". The
Brexiteers convinced the population that they could be free of foriegn
influence, but those who votes didn't realise that they were an occupied
country anyway.
Well that is quite close to the truth. The EU was a restrictive tariff erecting parochial organisation that sought to make a new USSR based in Brussels. A United States of Europe. Without democracy. A one party state. Of unsackable bureaucrats
Speaking 20 different languages with 20 different cultures each with its own history.
With its industries protected from foreign competition and all set to be a cosy insular little place just like the USA now seems to want to be.
A 4th Reich modelled on what Hitler failed to do.
Britain however is a global nation and has been for 500 years. It simply didn't fit.
Many people voted for Brexit for the same reason they voted for King Donald. To get rid of a cosy elite who were fucking things up.
Except that that elite managed to make Brexit a meaningless piece of paper. by signing 'big bootiful deals' with the EU that left us more or less precisely where we were.
But the times they are a changing - the man and the mood that led us to Brexit is now a political party that is ahead in the polls.
The people of Britain haven't given up the struggle.
All across the world the dynamic is changing - the politics and economics of post war prosperity are pretty much dead. And even King Donald won't bring them back again.
People are turning away from the current elites and looking for fresh ideas. Russia is bust and collapsing and so allegedly is China. In Europe people are sick of the socialists and their mealy mouthed morality, and complete lack of competence.
All we know is that whatever we have, Russia is way worse. Ergo we have to help put the bastards back in their place.
If you really want to find out what is happening outside your little cabbage patch, your simplistic ideas that you have been told about Britain, the EU, Europe, Russia and Brexit have to go.
Its not that simple.
Any more than king Donald is there because at least half America was fucking stupid enough to believe he could do what he promised. And wasn't stupid himself.
Everyone realises the old ways don't work any longer. That's the intelligence of democracies, They may not know what to do but they are fully capable of shaking things up till someone comes along who does.
I understand that, but I also understand that placing faith in a fallible human just because he or she inst the one that sat on the throne last time, is no guaranteed solution either.
And believing in tin pot would be dictators who want to stir up hatred for other nations because they are fresh out of ideas and need someone else to blame, is a very dangerous religion indeed.
The USA has never been invaded since the Pilgrim Fathers by a hostile genocidal nation. Apart from IIRC Pearl Harbour its never had the shit bombed out of it by people who basically want to destroy it. It copped out of Korea, It chickened out of Vietnam, and it abandoned Afghanistan and Iraq.
It simply doesn't like fighting wars and it isn't very good at it. The hardware is OK but by and large the people in the military don't like fighting. Which is a very difficult art to master.
Fine. No one likes fighting wars except tin pot dictators. But at least when you need to fight, you ought to learn to be good at it.
You simply do not understand that Europe has been at war since Hom. Sap, moved out of hunter gathering and started to develop herding.
All the USA did was grab a shitload of land steeped with natural resources by murdering a few Indians who it used to belong to.
So your politics reflects that. That's fine, but please do not use that worldview to judge the rest of the world.
It is a mistake.
-- I was brought up to believe that you should never give offence if you can avoid it; the new culture tells us you should always take offence if you can. There are now experts in the art of taking offence, indeed whole academic subjects, such as 'gender studies', devoted to it.Sir Roger Scruton