Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

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Sujet : Re: Joy of this, Joy of that
De : nospam (at) *nospam* example.net (D)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.misc
Date : 26. Nov 2024, 21:58:45
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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024, rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 13:17:08 -0000 (UTC), Rich wrote:
>
Yep, exactly.  If they can be given instructions that match their "lego
brick set" they can snap something together.  Ask them to do anything
that requires creativity or research and understanding, and you get back
a turd that has had hours of polishing applied.
>
The holy grail for management is a design methodology that gets adequate
results from a workforce of varying aptitudes. Particularly for larger
corporations you'll get a normal distribution, a few very good, a few
completely useless, and a lot of mediocrity. That's what you have to work
with.
>
What I've seen over the years is a company will luck out, get a better
than average distribution, and achieve success. Whatever they're doing is
taken as an example of the right way and copied mechanically. Top down
structured programming, agile, devops, and so forth have their day.
>
TI lucked out in the '70s and used something they called 'matrix
management' that became the new Wunderkind. The '80s brought 'In Search of
Excellence'.
>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of_Excellence
>
Good money was made from book sales and training sessions from independent
snake oil salesmen preaching the gospel. The company I worked for had one
of the sessions. Not too many of the 'excellent' corporations are around
today.
>
About 10 years ago the company I now work for had a 'pair programming'
session. That was hilarious. The 'experts' were only familiar with Apple
machines and other than the one they brought there wasn't an Apple in the
building. Having been through required attendance things before my team
carefully stayed to the back of the room where we could slink away and get
back to business.
>
I'm sure the next methodology will wrap itself around AI, spin off
training companies, and mostly fail to deliver on the promises.
>
>
Ahh... and today you have agile snakeoil salesmen! I heard a story from the girlfriend of one of my consultants. Her company, a computer game company, hired an "agile coach" who was workshopping away like a madman.
One programmer said... "but this agile thing, it seems to me like it will become less efficient and more work, that's bad", the snakeoil salesman responded "I hear you and appreciate your concern, but if agile makes things worse, you're not doing it right, and that's why we are here"! ;)

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