Re: The joy of FORTRAN

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Sujet : Re: The joy of FORTRAN
De : lynn (at) *nospam* garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Groupes : alt.folklore.computers comp.os.linux.misc
Date : 28. Feb 2025, 01:03:51
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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
COBOL, in its day, was the superior choice for business
applications.   Several 4GL environments were built around
COBOL or autogenerated COBOL applications.

In the 60s, that were a couple CP67/CMS commercial spin-offs of the
science center. One was NCSS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_CSS
later bought by Dun & Bradstreet

NCSS ref also mentions NOMAD (4th gen software)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad_software
predates the original SQL/relational System/R done on VM370 system at
san jose research

http://www.decosta.com/Nomad/tales/history.html
One could say PRINT ACROSS MONTH SUM SALES BY DIVISION and receive a
report that would have taken many hundreds of lines of Cobol to
produce. The product grew in capability and in revenue, both to NCSS and
to Mathematica, who enjoyed increasing royalty payments from the sizable
customer base.  FOCUS from Information Builders, Inc (IBI), did even
better, with revenue approaching a reported $150M per year. RAMIS moved
among several owners, ending at Computer Associates in 1990, and has had
little limelight since. NOMAD's owners, Thomson, continue to market the
language from Aonix, Inc. While the three continue to deliver 10-to-1
coding improvements over the 3GL alternatives of Fortran, Cobol, or
PL/1, the movements to object orientation and outsourcing have stagnated
acceptance.

other history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramis_software
When Mathematica (also) makes Ramis available to TYMSHARE for their
VM370/CMS-based commercial online service, NCSS does their own version
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomad_software
and then follow-on FOCUS from IBI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOCUS
Information Builders's FOCUS product began as an alternate product to
Mathematica's RAMIS, the first Fourth-generation programming language
(4GL). Key developers/programmers of RAMIS, some stayed with Mathematica
others left to form the company that became Information Builders, known
for its FOCUS product

4th gen programming language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-generation_programming_language

from another CP67/CMS spinoff in the 60s ... this mentions "first
financial language" at IDC
https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102658182
as an aside, a decade later, person doing FFL joins with another to form
startup and does the original spreadsheet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VisiCalc

--
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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29 Sep 24 * Re: The joy of FORTRAN1568186282@ud0s4.net
29 Sep 24 `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN1567Lawrence D'Oliveiro
29 Sep 24  +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN1505rbowman
30 Sep 24  i+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
30 Sep 24  i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN685186282@ud0s4.net
30 Sep 24  ii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN684rbowman
30 Sep 24  ii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
30 Sep 24  ii i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
30 Sep 24  ii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN574The Natural Philosopher
30 Sep 24  ii i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN571Peter Flass
1 Oct 24  ii ii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN570Stefan Ram
2 Oct 24  ii ii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2186282@ud0s4.net
3 Oct 24  ii ii i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1moi
25 Feb 25  ii ii `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN567vjp2.at
25 Feb 25  ii ii  +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN378Lawrence D'Oliveiro
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN377Peter Flass
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN369John Ames
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN236John Ames
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i ii+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN225Peter Flass
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN224Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN219John Ames
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN218Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1John Ames
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN216Rich Alderson
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i  +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i  i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Rich Alderson
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN213John Ames
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i   +* Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN6John Levine
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i   i+- Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i   i+* Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN2John Levine
28 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i   ii`- Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN1John Levine
28 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i   i`* Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN2Chris Ahlstrom
1 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i   i `- Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
7 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i   `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN206Alfred Falk
7 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i    `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN205Dan Cross
7 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i     +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Lynn Wheeler
7 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i     `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN203rbowman
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i      +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3Dan Cross
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i      i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i      i `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i      `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN199c186282
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i       `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN198rbowman
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN75rbowman
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN74The Natural Philosopher
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN73c186282
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN72rbowman
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN67c186282
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN16rbowman
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN15c186282
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN14rbowman
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN7Sn!pe
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN5rbowman
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  ii+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3Sn!pe
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  iii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2rbowman
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  iii `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  ii`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN6c186282
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii   +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1The Natural Philosopher
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii   `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN4rbowman
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii    `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3c186282
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii     `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2rbowman
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii      `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN50Rich Alderson
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN10c186282
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN8rbowman
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN6c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2John Ames
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3rbowman
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2Dan Cross
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii   `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN33rbowman
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN32The Natural Philosopher
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN16rbowman
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN13The Natural Philosopher
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3rbowman
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i iii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2The Natural Philosopher
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i iii `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1David LaRue
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1The Natural Philosopher
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN4rbowman
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i iii+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i iii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2The Natural Philosopher
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i iii `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1The Natural Philosopher
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3c186282
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2The Natural Philosopher
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii  `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i i `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1The Natural Philosopher
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN15c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN14The Natural Philosopher
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i   +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1The Natural Philosopher
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i   `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN12rbowman
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN6Don_from_AZ
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    ii`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
15 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3Peter Flass
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN6Don_from_AZ
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN4Kerr-Mudd, John
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN27Dan Espen
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN9c186282
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN86c186282
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3rbowman
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Rich Alderson
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i ii+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Peter Flass
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i ii+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN7Rich
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i ii`* Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN2John Levine
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN101Peter Flass
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN27John Levine
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3c186282
28 Feb 25  ii ii  i i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN4Bob Eager
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Feb 25  ii ii  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN188c186282
1 Oct 24  ii i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2rbowman
30 Sep 24  ii +* OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN100Bobbie Sellers
30 Sep 24  ii `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN7Peter Flass
30 Sep 24  i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN818The Natural Philosopher
30 Sep 24  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN61186282@ud0s4.net

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