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On 12/27/24 6:31 AM, D wrote:This is why I'm thinking modern weapons technology might have changed the playing field a bit. Nukes and biological warfare, enable a small player to scare a big player. You also have blackmail, but that would require constant and diligent work to keep the compromising information up to date, when new leaders ascend.On Fri, 27 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:>
On 12/26/24 11:57 PM, rbowman wrote:But human nature can be changed! I'm not saying easily, and I'm not saying quickly, but small steps here and there are definitely possible. This is why the theory exists that mankind is not yet ready for socialism... or libertarianism! ;)On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 21:41:29 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:Nope. Seems to be a 'human nature' thing ... hardwired
Read up on the Italian and Greek city-state eras.Thucydides got an Amazon best seller out of it. If the bible can be
The "town over the hill" was always attacking.
believed the tribal god was big on genocide when somebody else was living
on the land he gave you. That hasn't changed a bit.
will to dominance.
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I'm gonna say "... can be CONFUSED", temporarily ...
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>>Things fell apart almost as quickly as they were putThis is good! A city state does a lot less harm than a modern country.
together. Alliances, sentiments, needs, changed very
quickly. Kinda 'Game Of Thrones' but without the
dragons.
Post-Rome, Europe was a MESS. Only Charlemagne kinda
glued it together at all - but then almost only by
the sword. Oddly, I think the Viking invasions did
more to stabilize things - sort of the 'alien invasion'
that brought petty gripes and ambitions more onto the
same wavelength.
DaVinci's Italy was a constant war between the many
city states for a long time. The Popes, while
theoretically the ultimate authorities, instead
seemed to just profit financially and politically
from all the chaos and let it go on. Then a
de Medici became Pope ........
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This works well UNTIL some actual 'country' decides
to show up and take all your stuff.
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Micro-fragmentation and inter-fragment wars is a big
part of why Rome was able to take SO much SO quickly.
Also why the Euros were able to subdue the AmerIndians
so quickly.
That is why I like decentralization! With many city states, the competition for business will also be harder, which results in lower taxes as well!>
Unless we're talking socialist city states, or small monarchies. Those are not so fun. =(
Well, you MIGHT get a jolly king every so often ! :-)
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OR dismal politicians and depressing bureaucrats ALL
of the time ....
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