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On 11/05/2024 20:17, D wrote:The furthest I can go to "meet" an eco-fascist is the eco-optimism of Björn Lomborg. He argues that we should not do CO2 taxes and enormous political programs. He argues that we should take a fraction of that money and invest in research to find solution to _clearly defined_ environmental problems and that that will achieve much more than CO2 taxes that are gamed and rigged from the start. I'm sure he and I have many differences of opinion, but I am always open to investing more into research and technology as long as it isn't "gender-science" which is what europe seems to be specializing a lot in. ;)On Sat, 11 May 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Not really.
On 11/05/2024 10:31, D wrote:Wow, way more articulate than I usually see. Do you have a blog or something where you expand on your brief summary above?On Fri, 10 May 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:And that is the problem. There is a conjecture - one of many possible - that purports to explain the 'facts'.
On Fri, 10 May 2024 17:16:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:No they don't. Seriously, they don't. I think you are trapped by the eco-fascist propaganda Lawrence.
On 09/05/2024 23:49, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:They have evidence. You don’t.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.Try telling that to climate change [scientists]...
But the problem of induction, means that there are an infinite number of conjectures that could explain the data, even if the data was clean, plentiful and unambiguous, which it isn't.
And the current conjecture fits the data so badly that its excused by the fallacious 'precautionary principle' to justify doing stuff that cannot work 'in case' they are in fact right.
Another conjecture, that they dont understand how climate works at all, and something else is in play, is simply disregarded, because it doesn't lead to sales of greenCrap™ and research money for academics.
Turkeys don't vote for Christmas and 'climate scientists' don't vote for 'natural causes'.
Nor do the mass of ArtStudents who have leapt on the media bandwagon or the companies that sell greenCrap or the politicians trying to make careers out of it.
Its a trillion dollar boondoggle.
All based on just one conjecture, that has in fact been demonstrated to be false.
A most convenient lie, however.
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People don't do 'reason' these days. Its all about 'feelings'
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And as Roger Scruton remarked, you don't reason people out of positions they weren't reasoned into in the first place.
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Anti-Vax, anti-nuclear. God is dead, worship Gaia instead. Man is essentially evil and full of sin and technology is his greatest expression of it.
Oh, but that is not the precautionary principle, that's just silliness. So you are saying that in serious discussions, your examples above are used, not as jokes, but as serious arguments?Also, honest question, why do you think the precautionary principle is fallacious? I have vague memories from my philosophy studies that someone looked into it, but vague is an overstatement, so can for the life of me not remember.>
Never get in a car or an aeroplane. You *could* crash.
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Never strike out for shore when away from the shore, you *could* tire yourself out and drown.
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Never invent fire, you *could* burn your cave down
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Never knap flints, you *could* cut yourself.
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Never eat cereals - you *could* ruin your teeth.
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Always hang on tight to Nurse
For fear of something even worse.
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You think that is the correct and appropriate way to behave ?
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It is monstrously senseless ArtStudent™ invented Luddite philosophy.
Don't use nuclear power, it *could* go bang.
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Instead condemn us all to death anyway from energy poverty, simply because YOU, the ArtStudent™ dont understand and cannot understand the risk, because your brain only thinks in Boolean concepts = safe/unsafe.
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Never /how/ safe.
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It is reactionary kneejerk Leftist stupididity dressed up in big words to make it seem intellectually justified
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How about Never let a Muslim into your town - they *could* be a terrorist?
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