Re: The Joy of *small* business

On 12/20/24 4:18 AM, Richard Kettlewell wrote:

"186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> writes:

   However there is ONE group - the Basques - who seem to have come
   quite early and were not over-run.

 The local language does seem to have been resistant to replacement for a
few thousand years. However the population genetics is rather less
static, with almost complete Y-chromosome replacement by R1b-M269 after
2000BCE.

   I'd heard that - but don't ask me for a ref.

See e.g. Olalde et al, The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over
the past 8000 years.

   As I kinda menntioned in all this ... there's really
   just no such thing as 'genetic purity' in Europe.
   Over thousands of years various people/groups kept
   moving around and moving around and screwing anything
   interesting they encountered.
   So, is 'nation' more a CULTURAL THING instead ?
   'Culture' seems more resilient - genes rather
   secondary.
   As for the Basques ... ONLY a 'Y' replacement seems
   very odd .....
   We were still speculating about 'Cheddar Man'. For
   awhile they figured African/N.African mostly based
   on the length/size/profile of bones. What LITTLE DNA
   they could get suggests a migrant from western Europe,
   but it was a small sample. There's also question about
   WHAT "western euro" actually MEANT, genetically, at
   the exact timeframe.
   I'm gonna go with what I and others suggested, that
   as the ice retreated LOTS of people from LOTS of
   places started wandering north to see what was to
   be seen and went all humpy with anyone else they
   encountered. We're seeing a huge composite result
   with various 'holes' created by sheer chance.
   Basques, largely, represent such a 'hole' - minimal
   genetic mixing compared to most. Probably the
   mountain geography and/or perhaps extreme xenophobia.