Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?)

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Sujet : Re: New Pi 5 (Diversity - good or bad ?)
De : lars (at) *nospam* cleo.beagle-ears.com (Lars Poulsen)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.misc
Date : 12. Jan 2025, 14:46:30
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 09:00:04 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
    So, for now, Manjaro and some Fedora. No one has yet made a clean
    Just Works port of Fedora for the Pi-5 alas ... something's WEIRD
    about that unit. They should drop it and make a "Pi4-Ultra" instead
    with a peppier version of that chip.
 
 On 1/11/25 2:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
There's a new Pi 5 version with 16GB of RAM. It's not clear what the use
case is. Windows on ARM?

I am glad I did not get a Pi-5. I have had enough problems getting
the GUI to start up at boot time with my Pi-4B that I decided to just
run it in headless server mode.

The one thing I was missing on Pi-4 was a second ethernet port so I
could use it as a firewall/edge router with room for all the monitoring
capabilities I could dream up to implement with PCAP.

Dongle-attached extra ethernet ports are a bit unstable in my
experience. Often have spotty Linux driver support, often get
redesigned with a different ethernet chip with no visible/noticeable
change in product name or packaging. Being on an ARM system makes the
problems stemming from this several steps worse.

On 2025-01-12, 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
   There's clearly something very convoluted about the
   way the CPU and maybe some peripherial chips start
   up on the Pi5. You could run many Linux distros on
   Pi's up thru the Pi4. Then ... the factory Deb deriv
   is pretty much IT unless you wanna suffer a lot.
>
   If you've ever watched a Pi update, note ALL the
   damned messages about special fix-ups and kernel
   hacks - I mean there's LOTS of them. The BCM2712
   do NOT boot smooth like earlier versions. I'll
   still say the Pi3s were the "most generally useful".
>
   As for the 16gb ... well, if it's not TOO much more
   expensive, may as well have it. However 4gb has
   always been more than enough for anything I've
   wanted to do with a Pi.

Indeed, this sounds like a long-term support nightmare.
Why did Broadcom do that? Or did SONY screw up in their specifications?

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