Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

On 01/12/2024 08:39, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

On 11/30/24 1:22 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 00:19:28 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
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On 11/29/24 4:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
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On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 05:06:58 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
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[Python] isn't REALLY meant for interactive web apps.

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There are quite a few frameworks for using Python to do exactly that.

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Yea, sort of, but they seem kinda clunky work-arounds to me.

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Really? Which ones would you describe that way? Work-arounds for what?

    Server-side, PHP is about all that's properly
   supported. The Server-Lords don't like even that,
   uses up too many cycles. They'd LIKE to see all
   the hard work done on YOUR box instead. That's
   what JS does.
 

Well thats php.
Of course you can write CGI in any language if you like, it just gets harder and more involved.

   As such, you really won't find any straight-up
   Python based server-side web interpreters. What
   exists are ALL sort of kludges, some evoking
   PHP to get things done.

AFAIK Apache can be configured to use any language for 'active pages' .
PHP is however the default.
I have PHP executing C programs when PHP alone isnt good enough, as well.

    And how much longer for even PHP ?
    It's money, it's politics. In the END expect
   Joe User to LOSE now that everything is going
   back to the old client/$erver model.
 

That isn't primarily a financial decision, its also  technology driven.
With extra bandwidth between, the distinction between client and server is very blurred - offload computation to the JavaScript client, or perform it in a supported and single copied way on the server.
Its just another design choice. I use web based apps locally to control things like media servers and my central heating, because I am familiar with it. There is PHP and there is a lot of JavaScript and AJAX to make everything work smoothly. And some C code behind the scenes on the server.  Example: PHP running as non-root  cannot read root-only data, but root permissioned  C can...and pass the answer back to PHP
AJAX style bollocks is very much sharing between the server and client. I can poll for new data on the server without reloading the web page.
Obviously I could write a client that has server features and push the data, but to do that so it works on a PC/Laptop or mobile phone is too much work. They all have web browsers so that's the vehicle.
I don't care about anything other than it looks OK and functions as I want it to. So I use whatever seems the least work to achieve that.
I am not in love with computer languages and I never studied compsci. I am an engineer who delights in making stuff *work*, and whether that involves a 3D printer, milling machine or a hammer and chisel is all one to me.
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