Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, Rich wrote:
 

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

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On Fri, 6 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
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 Slack IS very "raw".  There's some good, but a lot of bad, in
 that.  You kinda have to be an OS fanatic ...
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 But I'm not 16 anymore.

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Thank you for the review.  Then it is not for me.  I don't mind
_some_ tinkering to improve things, but like you, I'm not 16
anymore and I have a business to run, so this I will remove from
the list of my opensuse replacements.

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Don't take the word of our nymshift troll 100%.  Yes, Slackware is
more hands on than a full on "hold your hand, you are an idiot"
distro such as Ubuntu.  But it is a far cry better than it was back
in the "50 floppies to install days".  A default install of slack
15, picking "everything" gives you in most cases on normal hardware
a working useful system -- and if you leave KDE "on" in the list of
"everything" even gets you a "hold your hand, you are an idiot"
desktop environment too.
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Where Slackware is more 'raw' than a Unbuntu is that if you want to
modify, say, your default name search path or default name server, you
simply edit /etc/resolv.conf instead of launching whatever GUI
'configurator' it is that Ubuntu provides to poke at tabs and entries
to make the change.

 
Ohh...  but that is not "raw" in my book.  I do that myself on
opensuse and I very seldom use yast.  So basically, what you are
saying is that it works like...  "linux"?  ;)

Yes.  Slackware is the nearest to just being Linux of all the distros
(that install Linux, some of the FreeBSD's may be similar).  If your
preference is to edit /etc/resolv.conf to adjust your default name
server, and edit /etc/init.d to change the default bootup, and so
forth, it is more what you may be looking for than the others (all of
which add varing levels a "you are an idiot, here let me hold your hand
via this custom GUI" system on top).

Maybe I should add slackware back to the list then, since what you
are saying just sound exactly like how I like to manage my machines! 
=D

Tis free to download, and you can install it into a VM if you wish to
'test out' at first (and don't have a spare machine to devote to
'testout').

It also is one of the few left that is systemd free.  And instead of
the SYSV infinite field of symlinks for init, Slackware uses BSD style
rc.d scripts (actual scripts you can edit).  The provenance of SYSV
sysmlink fields means it also will support those if you want, but the
default is actual scripts that execute other scripts.

And for that one, the install script asks you for the details as
part of the install, so if you give the correct data at that time
(same data you'd poke into the Ubuntu GUI configurator) then you
don't even need to edit /etc/resolv.conf.
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There's an old quote that came about from the net long ago:
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Learn Ubuntu and you learn Ubuntu, learn Slackware and you learn Linux.

 
I'm happy I started as early with linux as I did.  I teach the config
file way to my students, and am furious when I learned that the
teacher who got the job after me, taught the students how to manage
linux with _only_ the GUI tools.  Revolting!  Also causing them to
miss out a lot about how the system actually works, and how it was
design to work.  =(

And that teacher is turning out students, much like the MSCE students,
who only "know Ubuntu" (assuming they used Ubuntu) and the "Ubuntu way"
and if tossed into a "non Ubuntu" system, become lost, because they
really did not learn how things worked behind the "lipstick on a pig
GUI".