Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, Rich wrote:
 

Ohh...  but that is not "raw" in my book.  I do that myself on
opensuse and I very seldom use yast.  So basically, what you are
saying is that it works like...  "linux"?  ;)

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Yes.  Slackware is the nearest to just being Linux of all the
distros (that install Linux, some of the FreeBSD's may be similar). 
If your preference is to edit /etc/resolv.conf to adjust your
default name server, and edit /etc/init.d to change the default
bootup, and so forth, it is more what you may be looking for than
the others (all of which add varing levels a "you are an idiot, here
let me hold your hand via this custom GUI" system on top).

 
Sounds great! =)
 

Maybe I should add slackware back to the list then, since what you
are saying just sound exactly like how I like to manage my
machines!  =D

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Tis free to download, and you can install it into a VM if you wish
to 'test out' at first (and don't have a spare machine to devote to
'testout').
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It also is one of the few left that is systemd free.  And instead of
the SYSV infinite field of symlinks for init, Slackware uses BSD
style rc.d scripts (actual scripts you can edit).  The provenance of
SYSV sysmlink fields means it also will support those if you want,
but the default is actual scripts that execute other scripts.

 
Oh my...  it just keeps getting better and better!!  How come it
hasn't gotten any attention at all??

Likely because 99% of the "computer using public" is *lost* without the
"handholding GUI".

I've heard about devuan and antix, but how come none of those guys went to
slckware to escape their systemd problems?

I can't answer that one.  You'd have to ask them.  I don't dabble in
either.  First installed Slackware back when it was the "new and
improved SLS" (Soft Landing Systems).  Have stuck with it since.

I'm happy I started as early with linux as I did.  I teach the
config file way to my students, and am furious when I learned that
the teacher who got the job after me, taught the students how to
manage linux with _only_ the GUI tools.  Revolting!  Also causing
them to miss out a lot about how the system actually works, and how
it was design to work.  =(

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And that teacher is turning out students, much like the MSCE
students, who only "know Ubuntu" (assuming they used Ubuntu) and the
"Ubuntu way" and if tossed into a "non Ubuntu" system, become lost,
because they really did not learn how things worked behind the
"lipstick on a pig GUI".

 
Yep, this is the sad truth.  I, together with 2 colleagues, give a
cloud course that's after the linux course, and we do hard core
terminal work in that course.  We've discovered that since they have
a monkey as the linux teacher, we have to start from scratch in that
course, thus losing valuable time.  =(

Yup.  If they learn the handholding GUI, all they know is that exact
handholding GUI.  Flip them to a different GUI, or if V3 of that GUI
changes, and they are lost again.

I will pray hard, that I manage to get back the linux course next
autumn.  That way I can prepare them properly and teach them what the
terminal, files, scripting, and text files is all about!  =)

That will reduce the lost time in the 'cloud' course just to bring them
up to speed to begin to operate.