Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later

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Sujet : Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later
De : invalid (at) *nospam* invalid.invalid (Richard Kettlewell)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.misc
Date : 22. Apr 2025, 18:20:01
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
On 22/04/2025 09:35, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2025-04-21 02:29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On 21 Apr 2025 08:24:22 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>
It sounds like they're talking about the cache in the drive itself,
making sure data is physically written out before power-off.
>
Unfortunately, you could be right.
>
I say “unfortunately“, because I think it’s a dumb idea for drives
to have
their own cache.
Not at all. There is a huge speed improvement.
 
The key is to have a large enough capacitor in the drive to flush all
those caches on power off.

You still need to protect caches and buffers higher up the stack, or (if
possible) design your system to be resilient against power failure. (For
example, a mail server will only tell an SMTP client that it’s recieved
a message when it’s completed an fsync() on the queue file.)

Storage devices need _some_ internal buffering, to manage the
relationship between the logical blocks visible to the host device and
the physical storage. If that’s too small then a hard disk risks
spending all its time seeking between tracks rather than actually
reading or writing anything (or some differently structured waste of
time on an SSD).

--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

Date Sujet#  Auteur
18 Apr 25 * Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later49Eli the Bearded
18 Apr 25 +* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
18 Apr 25 i`* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later2Eli the Bearded
18 Apr 25 i `- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
18 Apr 25 `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later45Andy Burns
18 Apr 25  +* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later42Lawrence D'Oliveiro
19 Apr 25  i`* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later41Jim Jackson
19 Apr 25  i +- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 Apr 25  i `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later39Richard Kettlewell
20 Apr 25  i  +- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1The Natural Philosopher
20 Apr 25  i  `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later37Pancho
20 Apr 25  i   +- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Richard Kettlewell
20 Apr 25  i   `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later35Computer Nerd Kev
20 Apr 25  i    +- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Computer Nerd Kev
21 Apr 25  i    `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later33Lawrence D'Oliveiro
22 Apr 25  i     `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later32Carlos E.R.
22 Apr 25  i      +* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later22The Natural Philosopher
22 Apr 25  i      i+* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later17Carlos E.R.
22 Apr 25  i      ii+- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Pancho
22 Apr 25  i      ii`* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later15The Natural Philosopher
22 Apr 25  i      ii +* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later4Pancho
22 Apr 25  i      ii i+* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later2The Natural Philosopher
23 Apr 25  i      ii ii`- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Pancho
22 Apr 25  i      ii i`- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
23 Apr 25  i      ii `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later10candycanearter07
24 Apr 25  i      ii  `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later9Lawrence D'Oliveiro
25 Apr 25  i      ii   `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later8candycanearter07
26 Apr 25  i      ii    `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later7Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Apr 25  i      ii     `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later6John Ames
28 Apr 25  i      ii      +* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later4Richard Kettlewell
29 Apr 25  i      ii      i`* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later3The Natural Philosopher
29 Apr 25  i      ii      i `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later2Richard Kettlewell
29 Apr 25  i      ii      i  `- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1The Natural Philosopher
29 Apr 25  i      ii      `- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
22 Apr 25  i      i+* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later3Richard Kettlewell
22 Apr 25  i      ii+- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
23 Apr 25  i      ii`- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1The Natural Philosopher
22 Apr 25  i      i`- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
22 Apr 25  i      `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later9Lawrence D'Oliveiro
23 Apr 25  i       `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later8Carlos E.R.
24 Apr 25  i        `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later7Lawrence D'Oliveiro
25 Apr 25  i         `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later6Carlos E.R.
26 Apr 25  i          +- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Apr 25  i          `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later4The Natural Philosopher
26 Apr 25  i           +* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later2Richard Kettlewell
26 Apr 25  i           i`- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Apr 25  i           `- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
18 Apr 25  `* Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later2The Natural Philosopher
19 Apr 25   `- Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later1Lawrence D'Oliveiro

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