Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence

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Sujet : Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence
De : tnp (at) *nospam* invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.misc
Date : 14. Oct 2024, 18:27:17
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On 14/10/2024 13:47, D wrote:
  On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
 
On 14/10/2024 10:45, D wrote:
Yep, looks like Lars was actually the one with the wrong facts. On the other hand, I suspect some danish influence, and given that, a leaning towards the (socialist) democrats is only natural.
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I think the party that has elevated lawfare to new heights is in fact the Democrats, so if I could vote, it would be Trump all the way.
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The democrats are insane.
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The problem is that the altenative -  the Doonald, will weaken the USA globally by becoming isolationist.
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I am a natural  centre right person. But the Donald has gone too far and cost thousands of Ukrainian lives already by reneging on the terms of the USAs relationship with Ukraine.
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Ukraine is not 'Europe's problem'
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Russia is a global problem alonng with Iran, North Korea China and all the other totalitarian post communist or islamfascist  states.
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Making Russia great again is Putins dream, but if he destroys teh USAs export marlet, its the USAs problem.
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Right now its the Ukraine and the Israelis at the thin end of the wedge, but it will in the end be ordinary americans, and the longer you let these dictators get away with it the harder they become to stop.
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First they came for the Ukrainians
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Ukrainian
Then they came for the Israelis
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for the Europeans
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a European
Then they came for the Africans
And I did not speak out
Because I was not an African
Then they came for America
And there was no one left
To speak out for us...
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 I think it is important to make a difference between what Trump says (in order to get conservative votes) and what Trump does.
 Trump is smart, and he of course knows that without the EU, the US stands alone against the world. He will of course help the EU, but most likely with far less money, and way more effectively.
 
He almost caused Ukraine to lose by holding up the budget.
What Trump  does will be as far as Europe is concerned, is to let Russia occupy Ukraine forever.

That will push the EU to become more militarily integrated, which will in turn make the world safer and more stable.
 
The EU has no army navy or air force (thank god, as they are about as trustworthy and ambitious as Putin)
The nations of Europe and beyond belong to at most NATO, and Donald lied about that.

If the EU, like today, continues to suck on the US military teat, the EU will never develop and become a liability instead of an asset.
 
The EU is not yet a military power.

The road forward is pretty clear and pretty easy. Russia will lose, his oligarchs will kill him, in his place, they will select someone more pro-west, so they can enjoy their playgrounds and yachts again, and then we'll continue towards prospery together with a more western oriented russia.
 
Well yes, but witholding military aid from Ukraine is not the way to achieve that.

Another option, if they insist on the crazy path, is to defang them, and split russia into the west, and countless little durka-durka-stans, without weapons and resources. Those will be left to rot, and the western half will join europe and open for business.
That may well happen too, but that is not what Trump has stated he wants, nor its it what MAGA has acted to promote.
The USA had a deal with Ukraine and it has a deal with NATO.
If it turns it back on either or both, its status as the protector of the free world disintegrates, and  No European nation will support it when China comes knocking
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The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it actually is.

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