Re: The joy of Democracy

On 22/10/2024 10:01, Pancho wrote:

On 22/10/2024 09:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
 

Behind 'social justice' lies the faux post Marxist principle that 'everyone is  oppressed, or oppressing, and therefore a natural state of conflict exists, and it is the job of government to fix that'.
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 This is what law and order is about, having rules,  not socialism.
 

Red herring.
All societies need law and order. That's not socialism and its not capitalism.

It is clear that rules are required. The trick is to provide rules that incentivise contribution to society, and collaboration with society. That is where communist style "socialism" failed. Capitalist societies have failed too. Why they failed is nuanced. There certainly needs to be a balance.
 We could have a viable society that ruthlessly eliminated the weak, like Nazi ideology, or even stronger. However, I think most of us like having a society that cares for the old and infirm. Some of us benefit from such a society. You should be careful about saying all rules are wrong.
 

Never was so much bullshit imposed on so many by so few.
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No, I hold it as self evident that anyone who thinks that 'all men are created equal' is a dangerous raving lunatic and belongs in an asylum.
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 I think all men are created equal was about class hierarchies rather than innate ability. i.e. about being citizens rather than subjects or slaves.
 

You think? Interesting. So you don't actually clearly *know* what is - or was -  meant  by those stirring words of Liberté, Egalité  and Fraternité?
The ones that led to a nice line in regicide and the execution of thousands at the hands of Madam La Guillotine?
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Of what good are dead warriors? … Warriors are those who desire battle more than peace. Those who seek battle despite peace. Those who thump their spears on the ground and talk of honor. Those who leap high the battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is that they are dead.
Sheri S Tepper: The Awakeners.