Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . .

On 28/10/2024 21:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

On 10/28/24 6:10 AM, D wrote:

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On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
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On 10/27/24 5:34 PM, D wrote:

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On Sun, 27 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
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On 27/10/2024 05:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

On 10/26/24 10:21 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 02:06:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
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"Our whole universe was in a hot dense state..."

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As I look around, I see some in this noisegroup who still seem to be in
that state ...

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   Normally these groups are VERY quiet. But then it's only
   about a week before elections.
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   As for the universe, it USED to be in a 'hot dense state',
   but has cooled-off considerably. If 'dark energy' calx are
   correct we're already on the downside - headed for icy doom.
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Well so says the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view.
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We are surfing a wave of entropy created by the big bang and will all
end up washed up the beach gasping and then die.
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Of course  the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view is
only a man made theory, when it comes down to it. And can neither be
proven true or false.
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The world actually can be proven true. G.E. Moore did it many decades
ago. Here's a hand!

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 Even the Buddha said the universe was "real" - just
 that creatures like US, maybe any, could never really
 see it's entirety - barely a key-hole view. Our evolution,
 bodies, senses, brains ... we see things through "Human-
 Colored Glasses" and that's our kinda faux view of things.

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I think this is pretty obvious. I also think it shows that Buddha was a wise man!

    If it's obvious, why don't I hear it much ?

It doesn't get you to McDonalds any faster.
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   a loss of self-determination, a stone wall we can never
   penetrate ... forever trapped in our little tiny warped
   version of the universe.

Well, that's why the Buddhists developed transcendental meditation and Jimi Hendrix took Acid...
"I used to live in a hall full of mirrors
And all I could see was me".

    Actually, Plato's "Allegory Of The Cave" points to the
   same conclusion, he just kinda leaves off the last para -
   maybe for political reasons. Plato and Buddha were near-
   contemporaries and some ideas may have filtered across
   from the east.

Anybody who takes time out from a busy life to sit and think through things carefully tends to come to the same conclusion.
Kant and especially Schopenhauer started from a completely different place and ended up in the same territory.
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"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding".
Marshall McLuhan