Re: The joy of SQL

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Sujet : Re: The joy of SQL
De : 186283 (at) *nospam* ud0s4.net (186282@ud0s4.net)
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Date : 01. Nov 2024, 07:45:56
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On 11/1/24 12:14 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 23:57:11 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
 
On 10/31/24 2:20 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 01:35:23 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
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On 10/30/24 10:21 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
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On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:55:35 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
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SQL and flat-file DBs are kind of the all-gobbling monsters.
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But MV is still the better, saner, way to organize many kinds of
data.
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The trouble with unnormalized fields is: how do you do updates? You
have to delete all the values and insert them all again.
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Updates CAN be annoying.
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Easy way to remove the annoyance: normalize your field values.
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But the 'easy' way removes some of your flexibility and reasoning
ability in the process.
 No it doesn’t. Prove me wrong.
   This can't be "proven" per-se ... it's a matter of
   how you "feel" about how data should be represented
   to best effect/clarity. Call it 'religion' if you want ...
   Hey, which is "better", French or English ? Totally
   depends ....
   Having used flat and MV, SQL and Non, my 'spiritual bent'
   is for MV ... 'PICK-ish'.
   In CPU-microseconds, the sheer volume of records produced
   using flat systems -vs- the slight xtra effort needed to
   update MV records ... pretty much even - though I'm not
   entirely sure any benchmarks exist. On mag disks, the
   volume thing might be more of a drag, but with e-disks
   maybe not as much.

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4 Oct 24 * Re: The joy of FORTRAN233186282@ud0s4.net
4 Oct 24 +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN231Lawrence D'Oliveiro
4 Oct 24 i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN230186282@ud0s4.net
4 Oct 24 i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN227Lawrence D'Oliveiro
4 Oct 24 i i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN226rbowman
4 Oct 24 i i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN225Lawrence D'Oliveiro
4 Oct 24 i i  +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN219rbowman
5 Oct 24 i i  i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN218Lawrence D'Oliveiro
6 Oct 24 i i  i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN217186282@ud0s4.net
6 Oct 24 i i  i  +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
7 Oct 24 i i  i  +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN214rbowman
20 Oct 24 i i  i  i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN213186282@ud0s4.net
20 Oct 24 i i  i  i +* Re: The joy of FORTH211Peter Dean
20 Oct 24 i i  i  i i+* Re: The joy of FORTH (not)2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 Oct 24 i i  i  i ii`- Re: The joy of FORTH (not)1Peter Dean
20 Oct 24 i i  i  i i`* Re: The joy of FORTH (not)208Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Oct 24 i i  i  i i `* Re: The joy of FORTH (not)207rbowman
21 Oct 24 i i  i  i i  +* Re: The joy of FORTH (not)199Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Oct 24 i i  i  i i  i`* Re: The joy of FORTH (not)198rbowman
21 Oct 24 i i  i  i i  i `* Re: The joy of FORTH (not)197Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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21 Oct 24 i i  i  i i  i   `* Re: The joy of FORTH (not)195Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Oct 24 i i  i  i i  i    +* Re: The joy of FORTH (not)187John Ames
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22 Oct 24 i i  i  i i  i    i    `* Re: The joy of FORTH (not)180Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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