Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy

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Sujet : Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy
De : lynn (at) *nospam* garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Groupes : alt.folklore.computers comp.os.linux.misc
Date : 14. Nov 2024, 00:32:01
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
Pearl harbour happened because the Japanese, having been allowed to
rape china concluded that the USA was a soft target.
>
911 happened because the USA in its inimitably parochial way totally
failed to understand or notice the rise in Islamic fundamentalism.


US assistant SECTREAS Harry Dexter White was operating on behalf of the
Soviet Union and Stalin sends White a draft of demands for US to present
to Japan that would provoke Japan into attacking US and drawing US into
the war, Soviets were already fighting Germany nearly alone and wanted
to preclude an attack by Japan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Dexter_White#Venona_project
demands were included in the Hull Note which Japan received just prior
to decision to attack Perl Harbor, hull note
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_note#Interpretations
More Venona
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project

Benn Stein in "The Battle of Bretton Woods" spends pages 55-58
discussing "Operation Snow".
https://www.amazon.com/Battle-Bretton-Woods-Relations-University-ebook/dp/B00B5ZQ72Y/
pg56/loc1065-66: The Soviets had, according to Karpov, used White to
provoke Japan to attack the United States. The scheme even had a name:
"Operation Snow," snow referring to White.


... from truth is stranger than fiction and law of unintended
consequences that come back to bite you, much of the radical Islam &
ISIS can be considered our own fault, VP Bush in the 80s
https://www.amazon.com/Family-Secrets-Americas-Invisible-Government-ebook/dp/B003NSBMNA/
pg292/loc6057-59: There was also a calculated decision to use the Saudis
as surrogates in the cold war. The United States actually encouraged
Saudi efforts to spread the extremist Wahhabi form of Islam as a way of
stirring up large Muslim communities in Soviet-controlled countries. (It
didn't hurt that Muslim Soviet Asia contained what were believed to be
the world's largest undeveloped reserves of oil.)

Saudi radical extremist Islam/Wahhabi loosened on the world ... bin
Laden & 15of16 9/11 were Saudis (some claims that 95% of extreme Islam
world terrorism is Wahhabi related)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

Mattis somewhat more PC (political correct)
https://www.amazon.com/Call-Sign-Chaos-Learning-Lead-ebook/dp/B07SBRFVNH/
pg21/loc349-51: Ayatollah Khomeini's revolutionary regime took hold in
Iran by ousting the Shah and swearing hostility against the United
States. That same year, the Soviet Union was pouring troops into
Afghanistan to prop up a pro-Russian government that was opposed by
Sunni Islamist fundamentalists and tribal factions. The United States
was supporting Saudi Arabia's involvement in forming a counterweight to
Soviet influence.

and internal CIA
https://www.amazon.com/Permanent-Record-Edward-Snowden-ebook/dp/B07STQPGH6/
pg133/loc1916-17: But al-Qaeda did maintain unusually close ties with
our allies the Saudis, a fact that the Bush White House worked
suspiciously hard to suppress as we went to war with two other
countries.

other trivia:

Winston Churchill on the current mess in middle east and Persia/Iran
dating back to before WW1 ... started with the move from 13.5in to 15in
guns;
https://www.amazon.com/World-Crisis-Winston-Churchills-Collection-ebook/dp/B00FFD2DP2/
loc2012-14: From the beginning there appeared a ship carrying ten
15-inch guns, and therefore at least 600 feet long with room inside her
for engines which would drive her 21 knots and capacity to carry armour
which on the armoured belt, the turrets and the conning tower would
reach the thickness unprecedented in the British Service of 13 inches.
loc2087-89: To build any large additional number of oil-burning ships
meant basing our naval supremacy upon oil. But oil was not found in
appreciable quantities in our islands. If we required it, we must carry
it by sea in peace or war from distant countries.
loc2151-56: This led to enormous expense and to tremendous opposition on
the Naval Estimates. Yet it was absolutely impossible to turn back. We
could only fight our way forward, and finally we found our way to the
Anglo-Persian Oil agreement and contract, which for an initial
investment of two millions of pub`lic money (subsequently increased to
five millions) has not only secured to the Navy a very substantial
proportion of its oil supply, but has led to the acquisition by the
Government of a controlling share in oil properties and interests which
are at present valued at scores of millions sterling, and also to very
considerable economies, which are still continuing, in the purchase
price of Admiralty oil.

In the 50s, an Iran popular elected government wanted to examine the
terms of the British oil contract. Kermit Roosevelt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Roosevelt,_Jr.
helps with coup that installs the Shah (in exchange for supporting the
existing status quo)
tttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
... and Schwarzkoph (senior; junior participated in Desert Storm)
training of the secret police to help keep Shah in power (eventually an
uprising against the violent, repressive government)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK

CIA Director Colby wouldn't approve the "Team B" analysis (exaggerated
USSR military capability) and Rumsfeld got Colby replaced with Bush, who
would approve "Team B" analysis (justifying huge DOD spending increase),
after Rumsfeld replaces Colby, he resigns as white house chief of staff
to become SECDEF (and is replaced by his assistant Cheney)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_B
former CIA director H.W. is VP, he and Rumsfeld are involved in
supporting Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
including WMDs (note picture of Rumsfeld with Saddam)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
VP and former CIA director repeatedly claims no knowledge of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
because he was fulltime administration point person deregulating
financial industry ... creating S&L crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis along with other
members of his family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis#Silverado_Savings_and_Loan
and another
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE0D81E3BF937A25753C1A966958260

In the early 90s, H.W. is president and Cheney is SECDEF. Sat. photo
recon analyst told white house that Saddam was marshaling forces to
invade Kuwait. White house said that Saddam would do no such thing and
proceeded to discredit the analyst. Later the analyst informed the white
house that Saddam was marshaling forces to invade Saudi Arabia, now the
white house has to choose between Saddam and the Saudis.
https://www.amazon.com/Long-Strange-Journey-Intelligence-ebook/dp/B004NNV5H2/

... roll forward ... Bush2 is president and presides over the huge cut
in taxes, huge increase in spending, explosion in debt, the economic
mess (70 times larger than his father's S&L crisis, trivia: S&L crisis
had 1000 convictions with jailtime; proportionally, the economic mess
should have had 70,000) and the forever wars, Cheney is VP, Rumsfeld is
SECDEF and one of the Team B members is deputy SECDEF (and major
architect of Iraq policy).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz

Before the Iraq invasion, the cousin of white house chief of staff Card
... was dealing with the Iraqis at the UN and was given evidence that
WMDs (tracing back to US in the Iran/Iraq war) had been
decommissioned. the cousin shared it with (cousin, white house chief of
staff) Card and others ... then is locked up in military hospital, book
was published in 2010 (4yrs before decommissioned WMDs were
declassified)
https://www.amazon.com/EXTREME-PREJUDICE-Terrifying-Story-Patriot-ebook/dp/B004HYHBK2/

NY Times series from 2014, the decommission WMDs (tracing back to US
from Iran/Iraq war), had been found early in the invasion, but the
information was classified for a decade
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

note the military-industrial complex had wanted a war so badly that
corporate reps were telling former eastern block countries that if they
voted for IRAQ2 invasion in the UN, they would get membership in NATO
and (directed appropriation) USAID (can *ONLY* be used for purchase of
modern US arms, aka additional congressional gifts to MIC complex not in
DOD budget). From the law of unintended consequences, the invaders were
told to bypass ammo dumps looking for WMDs, when they got around to
going back, over a million metric tons had evaporated (showing up later
in IEDs)
https://www.amazon.com/Prophets-War-Lockheed-Military-Industrial-ebook/dp/B0047T86BA/


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