Re: Joy of this, Joy of that

On 07/12/2024 16:42, D wrote:

The thing is... should we ever prove any of it, which is not done, it will all just be added to our concept of the "material world" (caveat emptor, and definitions aside) and expand it and enrich our model of it.

That is your credo - your religion.
I do not ascribe to it.
Already quantum physics makes the 'material world' some sort of emergent property of a natural dice throwing quagmire of sub atomicity. To the point where calling it a 'material world' seems a bit impertinent.
I merely say that to consider that the material world is just an emergent property of quantum soup *and* human consciousness, is more flexible and useful..
I don't 'believe it to be 'true' because I cant believe *anything* to be true.
It's models, not turtles, all the way down. Models whose sole justification is that they work well enough for us to think them and not die prematurely.
That the models are the transform - the map - of some underlying externality  (your material world) is simply our way of representing some of the orderliness in our perceptions that they produce.
"The world is everything that is the case"  was Wittgenstein's 'final solution;' But of course he was no scientist, and a bit of a twat anyway.
Suppose the world is whatever *might* be the case.  And in fact why restrict yourself to one world?
Quantum physicists don't. Strings, many worlds, probabilistic fields creating emergent realities once observed...
I understand your need for security, but don't let it limit your thinking.
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