Sujet : Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1
De : bowman (at) *nospam* montana.com (rbowman)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.misc comp.os.linux.advocacyDate : 03. Jan 2025, 23:51:07
Autres entêtes
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On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 12:15:18 +0100, D wrote:
I think this was common knowledge, but maybe this serves to prove it
more fully? I always wonder how much DNA I have from eastern europe
since my ancestors travelled east down to turkey. On the other hand, on
my mothers side, my ancestors fled norway to iceland, and those guys
were travelling more in southwestern europe. Could probably be some DNA
from there as well.
I take much of it with a grain of salt but DNA has changed the game. I
thumbed through Mallory's 'In Search of the Indo-Europeans' last night.
It's from 1989 so he was examining linguistic and archaeological evidence
with the classic Cordedware, Funnel Beaker, Battle-Axe divisions based on
artifacts. In an amusing summary, after describing problems with the
theories of the day he admits he doesn't really have anything better to
offer.
Skeletal remains with usable DNA can help sort it out or modern
distributions. For example Jordanes' claim that the Goths originated in
Scandinavia was written off with many of his other inaccuracies. However
if you draw a heat map of the I-M253 Y haplogroup the epicenter is Västra
Götaland County, with over 50% of the males carrying it and spreads from
there. I1 hit some sort of bottleneck but then took off during the Nordic
Bronze Age. That puts a twist on the older theories Mallory looked at. The
DNA evidence is running against Renfrew's Anatolian hypothesis while
supporting Gimbutas Pontic hypothesis as far as Indo-Europeans go but
that's mainly R1b and some R1a and not I.
Gimbutas also had the theory that Neolithic Europe was a peaceful
matriarchal paradise worshiping goddesses before those damn Indo-European
males showed up.
Then you have the Migration Period to really mix things up.