Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1

On 1/6/25 9:47 PM, rbowman wrote:

On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 20:17:12 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
 

On 1/6/25 5:49 AM, D wrote:

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On Sun, 5 Jan 2025, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
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On 2025-01-05, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
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We have achienved something no other species has done. Science.

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Someone once pointed out, though, that for all the great things
science can do, it can't make the sun shine brighter or the rivers run
faster.  If our consumption continues to increase, sooner or later
we'll hit the crunch.

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We can use things more effectively, we can build nuclear. In terms of
power we have no problem out all. This is a solved problem and only
requires political will.

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    We ARE very wasteful - even with known-limited resources. There's
    mostly not enough money in 're-cycling' to make it worth it (except
    in 4th-world countries - oh reports are of a really good
    gold-recovery chemistry lately)

 There are a few recycling projects that do make money and they don't
require government intervention.  My information is from the '90s but
there were two lead acid battery operations in the LA area and it was
worth hauling junk batteries from Denver or further. The Kaiser aluminum
smelter in Spokane also pulled in crushed aluminum cans from all over the
west. The local pulp mill had cardboard hauled in but they shut down.
There must still be a market since the company that handles the garbage
has a separate dumpster for cardboard.
 The oddest one was in Rancho Cucamonga. I hauled past the sell date beer
from Denver. They distilled it for industrial alcohol.
 Plastic recycling is problematic as is glass. I've got a suspicion after
the people have their feel good moment separating the trash it still winds
up in the same landfill.

   I've seen many news reports of just that.
   Re-cycling, as I implied, is a profit/loss thing.
   Gotta be able to make at least a little money
   on it or ...
   Plastic IS a problem, mostly because there are SO
   many kinds. Glass seems more straight-up, but again
   I can see that the heat/stuff required to re-melt
   it aren't much from what it takes to make new glass.
   The stale beer -> ethanol thing is interesting.
   Cardboard ... may not REALLY be a market, just
   greenie pols trying to score points. However it
   might be good for lawn mulch or something similar.
   Hmmm ... new house, put a couple inches of ground
   cardboard down an then cover it with a few inches
   of good dirt. Oughtta hold lots of moisture.
   Structural uses ... the moment you crease the stuff
   it's lost mechanical strength, can't even soak it
   in glue/resin and make shelving. Just burn it at
   a power plant .......
   Styrofoam is a huge bugaboo. High volume with
   low mass. Can't really melt it properly. CAN
   dissolve it in some hydrocarbons and get a
   kind of degraded styrene goop, but I'm not sure
   what that's good for.
   Despite high visibility, maybe these things are
   not the most vital resources to re-cycle ???
   Waste of 'rare earths' is concerning. Once
   diluted across 100,000 landfills we're NOT
   gonna get 'em back. Hell, how much easy boron
   is there ... almost all goes down a million
   washer drains ......
   EVENTUALLY there may be tech for capturing such
   elements at-site, or even mining landfills for
   0.00000001% dilutions. But not anytime soon.