Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored

On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
 

On 2/13/25 4:07 PM, D wrote:

 
 
On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
 

On 2/13/25 2:10 AM, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:58:30 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote:
 

    Neural networks can likely do "someone in there" even better,
    eventually. At the moment LLMs get most of the funding so NNs are a
    bit behind the curve. New/better hardware and paradigms are needed
    but WILL eventually arrive.

 
So far there is nobody in there for CNNs. You know all the pieces and
they
don't magically start breathing when you put them together. It is true
the
whole system is a bit of a black box but it is describable.

 
 
 Well, I agree about "CNNs"  :-)
 
 As for LLMs ... dunno. Get enough stuff going there and
 something very hard, maybe impossible, to distinguish
 from "someone in there" may be realized. Then what do
 we do - ruthlessly pull the plug ?

 
Nope. Volition, will to live, drive, goals are completely missing. The best
trick to find out if you're talking with an AI is to write nothing. A human
will write "hello" after a few seconds. The AI will just sit there waiting
for input.
 
Yes... those things can be hardcoded, but what would make me impressed is
when spontaneous behaviour, motivation, will to live emerges on its own,
without being hard coded or simulated through logic.
 
Then we're talking AI!

>
 I am not beyond thinking LLMs will eventually, maybe
 kinda soon, exhibit 'conscious', 'self-realized'
 intelligence. The complexity increases apace. At
 SOME point ..........

 
I do not things LLMs will reach consciousness, looking at the technology,
training data and how they work. I see them as a potential "language
center" of the brain of a AGI.
 

 But how do we KNOW and what do we DO about it ?

 
We look at the effects. That's all we can do.
 

 Those are the HARD questions.

 
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questions!