Re: The joy of FORTRAN

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Sujet : Re: The joy of FORTRAN
De : lynn (at) *nospam* garlic.com (Lynn Wheeler)
Groupes : alt.folklore.computers comp.os.linux.misc
Date : 26. Feb 2025, 03:59:08
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John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
The VAX was developed over a decade later, when they put thousands of
transistors on each logic chip and thousands of bits in each memory chip. It
suffered from a severe case of second system syndrome, where they started from
the elegant PDP-11 and added every feature a programmer could ever possibly
want, with less than fabulous performance to match. There's a reason that the
VAX inspired RISC systems.

I've claimed that John Cocke did RISC/801
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cocke_(computer_scientist)
https://www.ibm.com/history/john-cocke
The effort to develop RISC began in 1974, when IBM tasked Cocke and a
team of researchers with creating an exchange controller to automate
telephone switching -- phone calls were then largely handled by human
operators who plugged cords into switchboards. Although IBM canceled the
controller project in 1975, the team's efforts morphed into the creation
of the first prototype computer that used RISC. The new system's power
and efficiency became foundational to computer evolution up to the
present day.

as counter to the Future System complexity, future system
http://www.jfsowa.com/computer/memo125.htm
https://people.computing.clemson.edu/~mark/fs.html

folklore is that the complexity of "Future System" was countermeasure to
the clone/compatible competition. FS was completely different from 370
and was going to completely replace 370 and internal politics during FS,
was killing off 370 efforts (the lack of new 370 during the period is
credited with given clone 370 makers, including Amdahl, more market
foothold).

All during FS, I continued to work on 370 and would periodically
ridicule FS, including analogy with long playing cult film down in
central sq (lots of blue sky stuff going on with little idea on how it
might be implemented). One of the last nails in the FS coffin was
analysis by the IBM Houston Scientific Center that if 370/195
applications were redone for FS machine made out of the fastest
technology available, it would have throughput of 370/145 (about 30
times slowdown).

--
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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29 Sep 24 * Re: The joy of FORTRAN1568186282@ud0s4.net
29 Sep 24 `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN1567Lawrence D'Oliveiro
29 Sep 24  +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN1505rbowman
30 Sep 24  i+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
30 Sep 24  i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN685186282@ud0s4.net
30 Sep 24  ii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN684rbowman
30 Sep 24  ii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
30 Sep 24  ii i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
30 Sep 24  ii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN574The Natural Philosopher
30 Sep 24  ii i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN571Peter Flass
1 Oct 24  ii ii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN570Stefan Ram
2 Oct 24  ii ii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2186282@ud0s4.net
3 Oct 24  ii ii i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1moi
25 Feb 25  ii ii `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN567vjp2.at
25 Feb 25  ii ii  +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN378Lawrence D'Oliveiro
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN377Peter Flass
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN369John Ames
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN236John Ames
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i ii+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN225Peter Flass
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN224Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN219John Ames
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN218Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1John Ames
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN216Rich Alderson
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i  +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i  i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Rich Alderson
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN213John Ames
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i   +* Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN6John Levine
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i   i+- Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i   i+* Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN2John Levine
28 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i   ii`- Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN1John Levine
28 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii i   i`* Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN2Chris Ahlstrom
1 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i   i `- Re: the end of 18 bits, The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
7 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i   `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN206Alfred Falk
7 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i    `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN205Dan Cross
7 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i     +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Lynn Wheeler
7 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i     `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN203rbowman
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i      +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3Dan Cross
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i      i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i      i `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i      `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN199c186282
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i       `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN198rbowman
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN75rbowman
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN74The Natural Philosopher
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN73c186282
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN72rbowman
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN67c186282
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN16rbowman
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN15c186282
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN14rbowman
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN7Sn!pe
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN5rbowman
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  ii+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3Sn!pe
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  iii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2rbowman
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  iii `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  ii`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN6c186282
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii   +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1The Natural Philosopher
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii   `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN4rbowman
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii    `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3c186282
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii     `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2rbowman
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   ii      `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN50Rich Alderson
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN10c186282
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN8rbowman
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN6c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2John Ames
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3rbowman
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2Dan Cross
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i ii   `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN33rbowman
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN32The Natural Philosopher
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN16rbowman
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN13The Natural Philosopher
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3rbowman
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i iii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2The Natural Philosopher
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i iii `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1David LaRue
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1The Natural Philosopher
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
11 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN4rbowman
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i iii+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i iii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2The Natural Philosopher
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i iii `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1The Natural Philosopher
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3c186282
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2The Natural Philosopher
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i ii  `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i i `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1The Natural Philosopher
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN15c186282
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN14The Natural Philosopher
12 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i   +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1The Natural Philosopher
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i   `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN12rbowman
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
13 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    +- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1rbowman
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN6Don_from_AZ
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    ii`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
14 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
15 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i i    `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3Peter Flass
10 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN6Don_from_AZ
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        i   `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN4Kerr-Mudd, John
8 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN27Dan Espen
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN9c186282
9 Mar 25  ii ii  i iii i        `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN86c186282
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3rbowman
27 Feb 25  ii ii  i iii `- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Rich Alderson
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i ii+- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1Peter Flass
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i ii+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN7Rich
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i ii`* Re: The joy of old small computers, which sort of ran FORTRAN2John Levine
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN101Peter Flass
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN27John Levine
26 Feb 25  ii ii  i i+* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3c186282
28 Feb 25  ii ii  i i`- Re: The joy of FORTRAN1c186282
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i +* Re: The joy of FORTRAN4Bob Eager
25 Feb 25  ii ii  i `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Feb 25  ii ii  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN188c186282
1 Oct 24  ii i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN2rbowman
30 Sep 24  ii +* OT ; Re: The joy of FORTRAN100Bobbie Sellers
30 Sep 24  ii `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN7Peter Flass
30 Sep 24  i`* Re: The joy of FORTRAN818The Natural Philosopher
30 Sep 24  `* Re: The joy of FORTRAN61186282@ud0s4.net

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