On 3/3/25 12:13 AM, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 22:43:05 -0500, c186282 wrote:
"Sales-speak" and objective reality are two different things
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Esp if selling to males, "bigger"/"stronger" is what you want to
convey to the rube ... er ... customer.
Works every time. The .38 Special has a bullet diameter of .357 but .38
sounded better when selling it to the military. The later .357 Magnum went
back to truth in advertising with a case 0.10 longer so you can't fire it
in a .38. 9 mm is .356 so it's about the same although the ballistics of
the three vary widely.
The 'original' .38 - the .38-S&W - WAS a bit closer, .361,
bullet. It remained popular in Britain - personal defense
and military officers pistols (usually Webley break-tops)
until after WW2 (Troopers got .455 Webley instead).
Typical load was a 200gr bullet at about 620fps. It's
annoying to collectors that you can't really use the
now-ubiquitous .357 bullets lest they 'rattle down the
barrel'. NOT sure why the .38 Spl went to the slightly
smaller bullet. A ".36" was a popular ball size
for some early cap-n-ball revolvers and "squirrel rifles"
even before.
Accuracy was kinda dismal - but they were intended for
close-quarters last-ditch combat.
.38 Spl is still a very good defense cartridge and
the revolvers can be smaller and lighter than for
the .357 mag. However, these days, go for the
lighter (~130gr) plated or jacketed bullets. For
US police agencies, the .38 Spl was nearly a
nationwide standard for a LONG time. Some "State
Troopers" favored the .44 Spl however. They typically
worked alone and outdoors.
A problem with low-vel loadings in urban areas was
the increased chance of ricochet off of stonework.
Once the vel reaches maybe 950fps the bullets tend
to fragment instead of bounce.
I had a Yamaha Seca 400 that was a hair under 400 cc to meet the European
tiered licensing breakpoints. It didn't sell in the US because it was too
small. I put a lot of miles on that too small bike, including a trip up to
a trailhead on a road designed for goats.
NOTHING wrong with 350-400cc bikes ! The 2-stroke
oil-injected Yammies were GREAT. Had enough pep but
weren't bulky. Around town, 250cc is quite adequate.
However MOST of the bikes I owned were big cruisers,
Magic Carpets.
https://vividness.live/riding-solo-to-the-top-of-the-world
Great movie. At one point he's up around 18000' pushing the bike because
it won't run. He's not running very well either but he made it. It
definitely isn't a Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman trip with expensive
BMWs and a film crew.
Had a 200cc Honda once - in a mountain state. By the
time you got to 10000' there really was NOT much
power left ... you'd have to climb in 1st gear :-)
Hyper-RELIABLE bike though ! Took it many places
it was never meant to go, and never a problem.