Sujet : Re: The joy of FORTRAN
De : tnp (at) *nospam* invalid.invalid (The Natural Philosopher)
Groupes : comp.os.linux.miscDate : 20. Mar 2025, 13:21:03
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On 20/03/2025 09:36, c186282 wrote:
On 3/18/25 12:58 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/03/2025 12:12, c186282 wrote:
On 3/18/25 6:54 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/03/2025 08:49, c186282 wrote:
On 3/17/25 5:57 PM, John Ames wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2025 21:42:23 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
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Fun fact: “calque” is a loanword, lifted whole from the French. And
“loanword” is a calque, translated from the corresponding German
term, “Lehnwort”.
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Oh, that's marvelous XD
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"English" is a 'pigeon' ... a glomming-together of
languages from everybody who ever invaded or went
to war with it.
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That makes it weird and difficult - but also very
versatile.
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There was a time in the 80s where the "Pure French"
movement insisted on local lang for everything. You
may have to look it up, but their term for "satellite"
was like a full sentence long :-)
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In Welsh, if your tyres are flat you 'put wind in your wheels'
There is no word for screwdriver in Zulu.
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"Wind in the wheels" has a romantic sound ... it
evokes both the physical AND 'travel'.
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Now how DO you ask a Zulu to hand you a screwdriver ??? :-)
You say 'hand me a screwdriver'
And he says "WHAT ???" :-)
He says 'Sure baas!'
Any Zulu in a commercial working environment knows English or he doesn't get a job. He used to be required to know Afrikaans as well, but I think that's gone by the way.
The point is you can legislate about dying languages all you want,m but they are dying for a reason.
In India there are many languages, but everyone sort of speaks English. Or has impoted lots of English words and phrases.
In S Africa - the ,mots mixed nation country I know of, you will find English, Afrikaans, Zulu, Sotho, Xhosa, Tswana,Portugese, French, Hindi, Tamil, German, and many other languages.
But in the townships they speak a hybrid.
Tsosti-Taal.
Which is something like 'bad boy speak'
Tsotsi is Sotho. Taal is Afrikaans
The language has bits of everything.
There are other languages developing in South Africa as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbN0hv7T_hsWe should remember that English itself was originally a language that almost everyone spoke instead of their native dialects.
It is and always has been a mongrel
-- It is the folly of too many to mistake the echo of a London coffee-house for the voice of the kingdom.Jonathan Swift
Re: The joy of FORTRAN
Re: The joy of FORTRAN