Re: Rewriting SSA. Is This A Chance For GNU/Linux?

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Date : 01. Apr 2025, 15:16:55
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On 3/31/25 08:11, chrisv wrote:
c186282 wrote:
 
   Oh, I agree ... trying to "rapidly rebuild" the "Just Works"
   code-base is VERY risky. As said, most of those old COBOL
   apps on those old computers were basically PERFECT - and
   the fallout from being IMperfect is SEVERE - both politically
   and per-individual affected. Extreme caution is advised.
 Sorry for my below naive/stupid questions...
 How hard could SS be? 
In a word, "very".

Are the rules so complex? 
In snapshot form, not too terribly bad.  Problem is that there's been 50+ years worth of revisions, and the documentation of every change is never 100.0000% perfect in every last detail.
As such, its become a "black box" that no one really knows what all it is doing, so its a nightmare to try to document all the processes to try to reproduce it.
This is why multiple Fortune 500 corporations has had projects over the years to try to replace COBOL, but which have repeatedly failed.  For example, one that I was aware of was looking to use Smalltalk; I never paid attention enough to know if that was a good choice or not.

I know it's hundreds
of millions of people, but that doesn't seen a huge challenge for
modern systems.  I don't know why it would be any harder than any
"significant" piece of software, like spreadsheet or database
software.
It is "big iron" mainframe stuff.  Think of a single data center having literally *rows* of IBM 360's/370's.
Granted, there's been huge growth for web-based centers that are running thousands of webservers/etc, but that's largely independent parallel capacity, not a single database, so that drives solution approaches too.

I'm also wondering how large the code base could be, if it was written
fifty years ago when a megabyte was a huge amount of memory.
Yup.  A system my wife worked on back in the 1990s for Y2K had literally a couple of **Pentabytes** of data storage being managed by their COBOL system.  I doubt it has grown by all that much .. my guess is that they're probably still under ~50 Pentabytes today.
-hh

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