Sujet : Re: Wayland or X11, was: Re: Upcoming time boundary events
De : antispam (at) *nospam* fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch)
Groupes : comp.os.vmsDate : 22. Jun 2025, 16:47:08
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <
ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 01:25:59 -0000 (UTC), Waldek Hebisch wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
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The number one rule for any good conspiracy theory: “Cui bono?” aka “Who
benefits?”, aka “Follow the money”.
>
What kind of business model is it for Red Hat to force competitors into
using its products for free? Even assuming it has the kind of market
muscle to achieve that, which it doesn’t.
More generally, since components of a Linux distribution are
open source, anybody can start a new Linux distribution.
Red Hat clearly want some barries of entry for potential
competitors.
systemd does not do that. It, too, is fully open source, after all.
It’s a component you can choose to include, or not, when creating your
own distro.
You are ignoring what I wrote: barries arn not legal (copyright)
but due to complexity. Systemd increases complexity, so "works"
towards this purpose. Of course, it is just a single part, there
are many other sources of complexity.
<conspiracy theory>
And concerning secret funding by Microsoft: Microsoft
realised that it can not stop adoption of Linux.
So the next best thing for them would be to control
Linux. ATM they can not do this. But if complexity
of Linux grows eventually it will reach level that
only Microsoft can manage.
Given that systemd is not actually any part of Linux -- it’s a purely
userland thing -- it’s not clear how encouraging that would lead to
such an outcome. Could you clarify how this is supposed to happen?
Above I used Linux as shortcut for Linux distributions.
Microsoft probably does not care much about Linux kernel.
At some moment Apple open sourced their kernel. But despite
this Mac OS was as proprietary as before. Similarly, if
Microsoft decieded to replace its kernel by Linux kernel
Windows would be as proprietary as it is now. And fact
that Linux kernel is GPL and shipped as part of WSL does
not change fact that Windows is proprietary.
It is hard to say what _exactly_ Miscrosoft will do, they
have many possibilities. They may botch their game and
loose to competitors. They may try to preseve status quo,
that is claim that Linux is not fit for desktop. They
could adapt Linux kernel as their kernel and claim that
Windows is better Linux than Linux.
Historically, grassroot contributions where important to
Linux. And they were possible because of limited complexity
and presence of advanced users. But deskilling of system
administration and growing opacity of system is going to
limit this. Once grassroot contributions are irrelevant
(quite possible that this already happened), Linux
ecosystem will be effectively owned by big corporations.
-- Waldek Hebisch