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Sujet : Re: Bootcamp
De : seaohveh (at) *nospam* hoffmanlabs.invalid (Stephen Hoffman)
Groupes : comp.os.vms
Date : 11. Jul 2025, 22:13:11
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On 2025-07-06 00:36:51 +0000, Waldek Hebisch said:

You mention Wine, but do you know what you are talking about?  At the start Wine project had idea similar to yours: write loader for Windows binaries, redirect system library calls to equivalent Linux system/library calls and call it done.  The loader part
went smoothly, but they relatively quickly (in around 2 years) discoverd that devil is in emulating Windows libraries.  Initial idea of redirecting...
Some folks are seemingly unfamiliar with OpenVMS and OpenVMS apps, and apparently also seemingly unfamiliar with Linux, and with a fondness for unworkable suggestions.  Not that I too don't have a fondness for unworkable suggestions.
What you've posted has been highlighted before. As has porting VAX/VMS to the Mach kernel, which actually happened. (Hi, Chris!) It also doesn't appreciably move the operating system work forward. Ports ~never do.
And there is a vendor that already provides custom solutions based on porting parts of the APIs to another platform, with Sector7. What Sector7 offers very much parallels Proton and Wine, too. But unlike VSI and Sector7, there are a whole lot more users of each of those candidate apps than the often-one-off apps found on OpenVMS.  That disparity increases the effort involved for each app, and for the users of that app.
And at the end of all that work, what's left? Outsourcing third-party OpenVMS app support to VSI, on a compatibility API? They can offer that now, and without creating Proton  and Wine.

Given 40+ developement team (this seem to correspond to publicaly available information about VSI) and considering 10kloc/year developer productivity...
...What went wrong?  Clearly VSI hit some difficulties...
40 or 50 engineers is far too small for a project of the scale and scope of a feature-competitive operating system.  For a competitive platform, I'd be looking to build (slowly) to 2000, andquite possibly more. But that takes revenues and reinvestments.
As an example of scale and scope that ties back to Valve and their efforts with Wine and Proton and Steam Deck and other functions, Valve may well presently have as many job openings as VSI has engineers:
https://www.glassdoor.com/Jobs/Valve-Corporation-Jobs-E24849.htm
https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/
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21 May 25 +* Re: Bootcamp5Robert A. Brooks
21 May 25 i+* Re: Bootcamp2David Meyer
22 May 25 ii`- Re: Bootcamp1Subcommandante XDelta
23 May 25 i+- Re: Bootcamp1Stephen Hoffman
3 Jun 25 i`- Re: Bootcamp1Arne Vajhøj
3 Jun 25 +* Re: Bootcamp4Arne Vajhøj
6 Jun 25 i`* Re: Bootcamp3Craig A. Berry
6 Jun 25 i `* Re: Bootcamp2Arne Vajhøj
6 Jun 25 i  `- Re: Bootcamp1Craig A. Berry
7 Jun 25 `* Re: Bootcamp52Subcommandante XDelta
7 Jun 25  +* Re: Bootcamp17Lawrence D'Oliveiro
7 Jun 25  i`* Re: Bootcamp16Arne Vajhøj
9 Jun 25  i `* Re: Bootcamp15Simon Clubley
9 Jun 25  i  +- Re: Bootcamp1Simon Clubley
9 Jun 25  i  +* Re: Bootcamp8Dan Cross
9 Jun 25  i  i+* Re: Bootcamp2Simon Clubley
9 Jun 25  i  ii`- Re: Bootcamp1Dan Cross
9 Jun 25  i  i`* Re: Bootcamp5Arne Vajhøj
9 Jun 25  i  i +- Re: Bootcamp1Dan Cross
9 Jun 25  i  i +* Re: Bootcamp2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
9 Jun 25  i  i i`- Re: Bootcamp1Arne Vajhøj
10 Jun 25  i  i `- Re: Bootcamp1Simon Clubley
9 Jun 25  i  `* Re: Bootcamp5Arne Vajhøj
9 Jun 25  i   +* Re: Bootcamp2Robert A. Brooks
9 Jun 25  i   i`- Re: Bootcamp1Arne Vajhøj
9 Jun 25  i   +- Re: Bootcamp1Chris Townley
10 Jun 25  i   `- Re: Bootcamp1Simon Clubley
1 Jul 25  `* Re: Bootcamp34gcalliet
1 Jul 25   +* Re: Bootcamp4Simon Clubley
2 Jul 25   i`* Re: Bootcamp3gcalliet
2 Jul 25   i +- Re: Bootcamp1Arne Vajhøj
2 Jul 25   i `- Re: Bootcamp1Simon Clubley
2 Jul 25   `* Re: Bootcamp29Lawrence D'Oliveiro
2 Jul 25    `* Re: Bootcamp28gcalliet
3 Jul 25     `* Re: Bootcamp27Lawrence D'Oliveiro
3 Jul 25      `* Re: Bootcamp26Arne Vajhøj
3 Jul 25       +* Re: Bootcamp3Dan Cross
3 Jul 25       i`* OS emulation [was Re: Bootcamp]2Rich Alderson
3 Jul 25       i `- Re: OS emulation [was Re: Bootcamp]1Dan Cross
3 Jul 25       +* Re: Bootcamp2bill
3 Jul 25       i`- Re: Bootcamp1Chris Townley
3 Jul 25       `* Re: Bootcamp20Lawrence D'Oliveiro
4 Jul 25        +* Re: Bootcamp2Arne Vajhøj
4 Jul 25        i`- Re: Bootcamp1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
6 Jul 25        `* Re: Bootcamp17Waldek Hebisch
6 Jul04:22         +* Re: Bootcamp13Lawrence D'Oliveiro
6 Jul13:52         i`* Re: Bootcamp12Waldek Hebisch
6 Jul16:04         i +- Re: Bootcamp1bill
6 Jul22:38         i +- Re: Bootcamp1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
11 Jul22:58         i `* Re: Bootcamp9Stephen Hoffman
11 Jul23:51         i  +- Re: Bootcamp1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
12 Jul01:16         i  `* Re: Bootcamp7Arne Vajhøj
12 Jul14:35         i   `* Re: Bootcamp6bill
12 Jul15:41         i    `* Re: Bootcamp5Arne Vajhøj
12 Jul16:02         i     `* Re: Bootcamp4bill
12 Jul16:13         i      `* Re: Bootcamp3Arne Vajhøj
12 Jul18:26         i       `* Re: Bootcamp2bill
12 Jul18:42         i        `- Re: Bootcamp1Arne Vajhøj
6 Jul16:02         +- Re: Bootcamp1bill
11 Jul22:13         `* Re: Bootcamp2Stephen Hoffman
11 Jul23:59          `- Re: Bootcamp1Lawrence D'Oliveiro

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