Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns

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Sujet : Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns
De : clubley (at) *nospam* remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)
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Date : 21. Oct 2024, 13:44:47
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On 2024-10-20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 21:32:05 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
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On 10/20/2024 9:28 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 21:17:06 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
On 10/20/2024 9:10 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 20:32:41 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
On 10/20/2024 8:28 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
Transaction resilience is a standard thing with databases (and
journalling filesystems) going back decades.
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Yes.
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But they can't do miracles.
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They can ensure, to a high degree of confidence, that the on-disk
structure is consistent. That is to say, each transaction is either
recorded as completed or not recorded at all, nothing in-between.
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Only if it can rely on a successful write not being lost.
 
In other words, that the disk controller is not lying to you when it says
a write has completed?
 
Just that is is not lying when it says that it got it.
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That?s not what it is saying. It is saying ?write completed?.
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A system crash and restart will blank RAM and wipe out all OS
and filesystem caches - it will not impact the cache in the
RAID controller.
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You hope.
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You really are a believer in miracles, aren?t you?

No, he isn't. He does understand however that the stored data will
be written to disk when power is restored and then any transaction
or other recovery process can proceed from there.

In addition, for data which is that important, you can run a fully
shared cluster setup across multiple sites so that the loss of a server
at one site does not really impact ongoing operations across the
system as a whole.

At this point Lawrence, I can't tell if you are just a troll who is
just trying to provoke people or if you really believe what you are
saying because you do not have a detailed understanding of how this
stuff works.

Simon.

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Date Sujet#  Auteur
18 Oct 24 * RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns44Richard Jordan
18 Oct 24 +* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns36Craig A. Berry
19 Oct 24 i+* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns6Lawrence D'Oliveiro
19 Oct 24 ii`* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns5Arne Vajhøj
19 Oct 24 ii `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns4Lawrence D'Oliveiro
19 Oct 24 ii  `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns3Arne Vajhøj
19 Oct 24 ii   `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns2Lawrence D'Oliveiro
19 Oct 24 ii    `- Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns1Arne Vajhøj
20 Oct 24 i+* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns27Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 Oct 24 ii`* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns26Arne Vajhøj
20 Oct 24 ii `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns25Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 Oct 24 ii  `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns24Arne Vajhøj
20 Oct 24 ii   `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns23Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 Oct 24 ii    `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns22Arne Vajhøj
20 Oct 24 ii     `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns21Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 Oct 24 ii      +* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns16Arne Vajhøj
20 Oct 24 ii      i`* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns15Lawrence D'Oliveiro
20 Oct 24 ii      i `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns14Arne Vajhøj
20 Oct 24 ii      i  `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns13Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Oct 24 ii      i   `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns12Arne Vajhøj
21 Oct 24 ii      i    `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns11Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Oct 24 ii      i     `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns10Arne Vajhøj
21 Oct 24 ii      i      `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns9Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Oct 24 ii      i       `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns8Arne Vajhøj
21 Oct 24 ii      i        `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns7Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Oct 24 ii      i         `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns6Arne Vajhøj
21 Oct 24 ii      i          `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns5Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Oct 24 ii      i           `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns4Arne Vajhøj
21 Oct 24 ii      i            `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Oct 24 ii      i             `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns2Simon Clubley
21 Oct 24 ii      i              `- Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns1Dan Cross
20 Oct 24 ii      +* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns2Craig A. Berry
20 Oct 24 ii      i`- Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
21 Oct 24 ii      `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns2Simon Clubley
21 Oct 24 ii       `- Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns1Arne Vajhøj
21 Oct 24 i`* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns2Richard Jordan
21 Oct 24 i `- Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns1Craig A. Berry
19 Oct 24 +- Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns1Volker Halle
5 Nov 24 +* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns3Richard Jordan
5 Nov 24 i`* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns2abrsvc
5 Nov 24 i `- Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns1Richard Jordan
5 Nov 24 `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns3Volker Halle
5 Nov 24  `* Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns2Richard Jordan
7 Nov 24   `- Re: RX2800 sporadic disk I/O slowdowns1Volker Halle

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