Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?

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Sujet : Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?
De : kludge (at) *nospam* panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Groupes : comp.os.vms
Date : 26. Jul 2024, 20:46:35
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Organisation : Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000)
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Dave Froble  <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>
Ok, at the risk of upsetting some, I'm going to say that the President actually
is above the law.  The President has to be at some times.  The President is the
implementation of the will of the people.  Sometimes he has to "break the laws".

No.  This is the case in some countries, but not in the American system
where we have (or are supposed to have) a government of laws rather than
people.  Nobody is above the law.  You may recall that there was a lot of
discussion about this during Watergate. 

The president IS the implementation of the will of the people, but so is
Congress and so is (to a slightly lesser extent) the Supreme Court.


 Or is Obama guilty for having Bin Laden killed?  Killing is illegal, isn't it.

No, because (unfortunately) during the cold war one of the abilities
delegated from Congress to the President is a (limited but still broad)
ability to make war.  So it was legal for him to have Bin Laden killed.
That's an easy question.

Was it moral?  Was it a good idea?  Should he have the ability to do
this?  These are all much harder questions to answer.

 The only judge and jury for a President is ultimately the voting public, and
sometimes, congress, but we've seen how that doesn't seem to work, haven't we?

In the past it's been pretty effective, though we have had occasional
blips here and there like Warren G. Harding's presidency.  But the huge
virtue of having a government of laws and having those laws enforced
is that it takes a lot more than just one person to cause permanent damage.

This doesn't, of course, mean that permanent damage isn't possible.  But it's
a lot harder than it was for von Hindenberg.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Date Sujet#  Auteur
15 Jul 24 * [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?69Simon Clubley
15 Jul 24 +* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?51bill
15 Jul 24 i+- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Single Stage to Orbit
16 Jul 24 i`* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?49John Dallman
16 Jul 24 i `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?48Single Stage to Orbit
16 Jul 24 i  +* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?2Scott Dorsey
17 Jul 24 i  i`- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Simon Clubley
17 Jul 24 i  `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?45John Dallman
17 Jul 24 i   +- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Scott Dorsey
17 Jul 24 i   `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?43Simon Clubley
17 Jul 24 i    `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?42Dan Cross
18 Jul 24 i     +* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?3Robert A. Brooks
18 Jul 24 i     i+- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Single Stage to Orbit
18 Jul 24 i     i`- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Bob Eager
18 Jul 24 i     `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?38Richard
18 Jul 24 i      +- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Dan Cross
18 Jul 24 i      +* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?2Single Stage to Orbit
19 Jul 24 i      i`- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Richard
22 Jul 24 i      `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?34Scott Dorsey
22 Jul 24 i       +- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Single Stage to Orbit
24 Jul 24 i       `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?32Gary R. Schmidt
24 Jul 24 i        +* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?23Simon Clubley
25 Jul 24 i        i+* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?21Craig A. Berry
25 Jul 24 i        ii+* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?18Dave Froble
25 Jul 24 i        iii`* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?17Craig A. Berry
25 Jul 24 i        iii +* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?15Simon Clubley
26 Jul 24 i        iii i+* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?4Dave Froble
26 Jul 24 i        iii ii`* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?3Single Stage to Orbit
27 Jul 24 i        iii ii `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?2Dave Froble
27 Jul 24 i        iii ii  `- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Chris Townley
26 Jul 24 i        iii i`* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?10Dan Cross
29 Jul 24 i        iii i `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?9Simon Clubley
30 Jul 24 i        iii i  `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?8Craig A. Berry
30 Jul 24 i        iii i   `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?7Simon Clubley
30 Jul 24 i        iii i    +* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?5Chris Townley
30 Jul 24 i        iii i    i+* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?3John H. Reinhardt
30 Jul 24 i        iii i    ii`* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?2Chris Townley
30 Jul 24 i        iii i    ii `- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1John H. Reinhardt
31 Jul 24 i        iii i    i`- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Simon Clubley
30 Jul 24 i        iii i    `- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Dan Cross
26 Jul 24 i        iii `- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Dave Froble
25 Jul 24 i        ii`* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?2Simon Clubley
26 Jul 24 i        ii `- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Dave Froble
25 Jul 24 i        i`- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Dave Froble
25 Jul 24 i        +- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Jul 24 i        `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?7Scott Dorsey
26 Jul 24 i         +* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?4Chris Townley
26 Jul 24 i         i`* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?3Dave Froble
26 Jul 24 i         i +- [Really OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Henry Crun
26 Jul 24 i         i `- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Gary R. Schmidt
26 Jul 24 i         `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?2Dave Froble
26 Jul 24 i          `- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Scott Dorsey
15 Jul 24 +* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?7Dave Froble
16 Jul 24 i+- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Arne Vajhøj
16 Jul 24 i`* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?5Simon Clubley
16 Jul 24 i `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?4Robert A. Brooks
17 Jul 24 i  `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?3Simon Clubley
17 Jul 24 i   `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?2Robert A. Brooks
17 Jul 24 i    `- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Simon Clubley
15 Jul 24 +- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Robert A. Brooks
16 Jul 24 +* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?7Arne Vajhøj
16 Jul 24 i+* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?2David Meyer
16 Jul 24 ii`- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Arne Vajhøj
16 Jul 24 i+* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?3Scott Dorsey
16 Jul 24 ii`* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?2Arne Vajhøj
16 Jul 24 ii `- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Scott Dorsey
16 Jul 24 i`- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Simon Clubley
16 Jul 24 `* Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?2Richard
17 Jul 24  `- Re: [OT] What is happening in/to the US ?1Simon Clubley

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