[OT] A64Fx was: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS

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Sujet : [OT] A64Fx was: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS
De : already5chosen (at) *nospam* yahoo.com (Michael S)
Groupes : comp.os.vms
Date : 27. Mar 2025, 10:34:16
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On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 23:53:14 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Mar 2025 23:45:54 +0200, Michael S wrote:
 
Top performing Arm CPUs are designed in USA.
1. Cupertino, California (Apple)
2. Raleigh, North Carolina (Qualcomm)
3. Austin, Texas (Arm Inc) 
 
All outclassed by Fujitsu’s A64FX, as used in the Fugaku machine, and
successors -- designed in Japan.

That's very OT in comp.os.vms, but I'd write it anyway. A64FX did not
outclass any of mentioned above.

A64FX is good chips for its intended applications, i.e. massively
parallel supercomputers. Its most important feature is Tofu comm links
that together with Tofu switches allow high-bandwidth communication
between tens of thousands of nodes with the latency that is not exactly
low, but can be called acceptable. It's second important feature is
built-in connection to HBM2 memory. Its third important feature is
rather good floating-point throughput when the application amenable to
vectorizing. Its fourth important feature is that said good throughput
is achieved without consuming too much power.
However the 4th point should be taken in time context. Consumed power
per FLOP was lower relatively to A64FX 2019 contemporaries. It is
significantly higher relatively to the next generation of GPGPUs. It is
true even if we only look at single and double precision calculations.
For lower precision calculations that are so popular nowadays and
becoming more popular with every passing minute, A64FX is hopelessly
behind state of the art.

Those were strong points of A64FX. Its weak points that make it a poor
choice for general purpose computing are:
(a) - integer performance. No benchmarks published, but description in
various papers could lead as to guess that in benchmarks like
SPECInt2017_speed A64FX core would be be at least 3 time slower than
top offerings of three design houses mentioned above.
(b) - memory capacity. Only 32 GB per 48-core node. For general-purpose
server application it's desirable to have at least 5 times more,
preferably 10 times more.


Date Sujet#  Auteur
23 Mar 25 * Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS68Lawrence D'Oliveiro
23 Mar 25 +- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Scott Dorsey
25 Mar 25 `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS66Subcommandante XDelta
26 Mar 25  +- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1jeffrey_dsi
26 Mar 25  +* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS41David Meyer
26 Mar 25  i`* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS40Arne Vajhøj
26 Mar 25  i +* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS4Dan Cross
26 Mar 25  i i`* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS3Arne Vajhøj
26 Mar 25  i i +- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Arne Vajhøj
26 Mar 25  i i `- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Dan Cross
26 Mar 25  i +* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS8gcalliet
26 Mar 25  i i`* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS7Arne Vajhøj
26 Mar 25  i i `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS6Simon Clubley
26 Mar 25  i i  +- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Arne Vajhøj
26 Mar 25  i i  `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS4Michael S
27 Mar 25  i i   `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Mar 25  i i    `* [OT] A64Fx was: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS2Michael S
27 Mar 25  i i     `- Re: [OT] A64Fx was: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Mar 25  i +* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS2Simon Clubley
26 Mar 25  i i`- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Arne Vajhøj
26 Mar 25  i +* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Mar 25  i i`* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS2Arne Vajhøj
26 Mar 25  i i `- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Mar 25  i `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS22Craig A. Berry
27 Mar 25  i  `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS21Arne Vajhøj
27 Mar 25  i   +- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Mar 25  i   `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS19Simon Clubley
28 Mar 25  i    +* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS3Arne Vajhøj
28 Mar 25  i    i+- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
31 Mar 25  i    i`- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Simon Clubley
28 Mar 25  i    +- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1John Reagan
29 Mar 25  i    `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS14Waldek Hebisch
29 Mar 25  i     +* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS9Chris Townley
29 Mar 25  i     i+* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS2Waldek Hebisch
29 Mar 25  i     ii`- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Craig A. Berry
29 Mar 25  i     i+* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS3bill
30 Mar 25  i     ii`* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS2Arne Vajhøj
30 Mar 25  i     ii `- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Arne Vajhøj
30 Mar 25  i     i+* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS2Arne Vajhøj
30 Mar 25  i     ii`- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Arne Vajhøj
30 Mar 25  i     i`- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Dan Cross
30 Mar 25  i     `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS4Arne Vajhøj
30 Mar 25  i      `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS3Waldek Hebisch
30 Mar 25  i       +- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Dan Cross
30 Mar 25  i       `- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
26 Mar 25  `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS23Simon Clubley
26 Mar 25   +- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Arne Vajhøj
26 Mar 25   `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS21Subcommandante XDelta
26 Mar 25    +* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS10Arne Vajhøj
27 Mar 25    i+* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS5Subcommandante XDelta
27 Mar 25    ii`* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS4gcalliet
30 Mar 25    ii `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS3Subcommandante XDelta
30 Mar 25    ii  +- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Single Stage to Orbit
31 Mar 25    ii  `- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1gcalliet
27 Mar 25    i`* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS4Lawrence D'Oliveiro
27 Mar 25    i `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS3Arne Vajhøj
27 Mar 25    i  +- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Arne Vajhøj
28 Mar 25    i  `- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Simon Clubley
27 Mar 25    `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS10bill
27 Mar 25     `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS9Arne Vajhøj
27 Mar 25      +* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS3Lawrence D'Oliveiro
28 Mar 25      i+- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Arne Vajhøj
28 Mar 25      i`- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Arne Vajhøj
28 Mar 25      `* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS5Simon Clubley
28 Mar 25       +* Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS3Chris Townley
29 Mar 25       i+- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Dave Froble
31 Mar 25       i`- Re: ISO: The Eiffel OO programming language and IDE, on VMS1Simon Clubley
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