Re: Americans: that clueless cretin you elected just killed the CVE program :-(

In article <m6qsqoF8ediU1@mid.individual.net>,
bill  <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:

On 4/22/2025 10:54 AM, Dan Cross wrote:

I learned land navigation using metric units in the US Marines,
using the NATO grid system (not lat/long). 

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It's called Universal Transverse Mercator and NATO had nothing
to do with it.

Actually, I was referring to MGRS, the Military Grid Reference
System, which is the NATO standard.  MGRS is based on UTM, but
is more succinct, with some changes around the poles derived
from UPS (Universal Polar Stereographic).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Grid_Reference_System

Just a few blurbs:
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The Universal Transverse Mercator (UTM) system was developed by the US
Army Corps of Engineers starting in the early 1940s.
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Provided by AI overview.
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The Universal Transverse Mercator projection and grid system was adopted
by the U.S. Army in 1947 for designating rectangular coordinates on
large scale military maps. UTM is currently used by the United States
and NATO armed forces.

This is incorrect; or at least, misleading.  MGRS is the NATO
standard.

MapTools.
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Note the dates, long before NATO even existed.

I didn't say that NATO invented it; I said it's the NATO grid
system, that is, the one used by NATO.

Developed by the US Army Map Service in the late 1940s — probably 1947 —
and shortly thereafter adopted by US Army
as well as North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) forces, the
Universal Transverse Coordinate (UTM) projection and grid system
remained a classified secret for many years.
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The Universal Transverse Mercator (UTM) geographic coordinate system
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By
Michael A. Neiger
Marquette, Michigan
© Copyright 2010 - 2022
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It was originally developed not by NATO but by the US Army.
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By the way, just for the sake of curiosity the reason I am rather
well versed in this is because my first job after high school and
leading up to my first enlistment  in the U.S. Army was with  the
above mentioned Army Map Service where I was both a Cartographic
Technician and a Geodetic Aide.  When I went into the Army I was
hell on the Land Navigation Course.  :-)

Land Nav kicks everybody's ass.

        - Dan C.