Re: A few curious questions

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Sujet : Re: A few curious questions
De : devnul (at) *nospam* blackhole.com (Ian)
Groupes : comp.os.vms
Date : 28. Sep 2026, 21:58:53
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On 9/28/26 20:45, Dan Cross wrote:
In article <nhvlnvFmcs4U1@mid.individual.net>,
Bill Gunshannon  <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/28/26 10:49, Dan Cross wrote:
In article <nhlautF2k3mU1@mid.individual.net>,
Bill Gunshannon  <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>
[*] This was a method, used during linking, in which you described an
overlay map, and the OS then mapped in and out various segments of your
application at runtime as various parts of it were called by the rest
of the application.
>
The :-( is because I have direct personal experience of having to do
this multiple times... :-) Never, ever, ever, again. :-)
>
I was very glad to get to VAX and leave all that behind.
>
Never saw it as much of a problem.  Actually helped a lot in making
more efficient programs.
>
Efficient in what regard?
>
The programmer had to learn a bit more about his program in order
to make the overlays work properly and it kinda force you to look
at things like program flow and structure more closely.
 Ok, I get that, but that's not describing efficiency.  Rather,
it is describing a programming process that forces engaging with
software on a deeper level, because otherwise, the program won't
run.
 
I think the idea was enable more with less, due to the real limits
on hardware back in the day. Have used overlays on RT11 in the past,
and much later, 6 x 8k fixed lookup tables for an 8051 series
embedded project. A bit tortuous, but worked fine. Keil C for 8051
was great in that respect. A bit easier for the RT11 case, where an
8k data buffer was shared with temporarily unused code.
But yes, does make one think a lot more about design.

Another
facet of programming that has been lost in the age of Vibe Coding.
 No argument there.  LLMs can be useful, but only if you already
know what you're doing.  If you don't, you're going to have a
bad time.
  - Dan C.
 

Date Sujet#  Auteur
29 Jun 26 * A few curious questions39bill
29 Jun 26 +* Re: A few curious questions9Arne Vajhøj
29 Jun 26 i+- Re: A few curious questions1Lawrence D’Oliveiro
29 Jun 26 i+* Re: A few curious questions3bill
29 Jun 26 ii+- Re: A few curious questions1Arne Vajhøj
1 Jul 26 ii`- Re: A few curious questions1Simon Clubley
29 Jun 26 i+- Re: A few curious questions1bill
29 Jun 26 i+- Re: A few curious questions1bill
29 Jun 26 i`* Re: A few curious questions2Dan Cross
29 Jun 26 i `- Re: A few curious questions1Craig A. Berry
29 Jun 26 +* Re: A few curious questions25Scott Dorsey
29 Jun 26 i`* Re: A few curious questions24bill
29 Jun 26 i +- Re: A few curious questions1bill
15 Sep 26 i `* Re: A few curious questions22Kragen Javier Sitaker
15 Sep 26 i  +* Re: A few curious questions5Dan Cross
15 Sep 26 i  i+* Re: A few curious questions2Scott Dorsey
18 Sep 26 i  ii`- Re: A few curious questions1Dan Cross
16 Sep 26 i  i`* Re: A few curious questions2Bill Gunshannon
18 Sep 26 i  i `- Re: A few curious questions1Dan Cross
16 Sep 26 i  +* Re: A few curious questions14Bill Gunshannon
16 Sep 26 i  i+- Re: A few curious questions1Scott Dorsey
18 Sep 26 i  i`* Re: A few curious questions12Dan Cross
24 Sep 26 i  i `* Re: A few curious questions11Simon Clubley
24 Sep 26 i  i  +* Re: A few curious questions9Bill Gunshannon
28 Sep15:49 i  i  i`* Re: A few curious questions8Dan Cross
28 Sep18:12 i  i  i +* Re: A few curious questions3Dave Froble
28 Sep18:18 i  i  i i+- Re: A few curious questions1Bill Gunshannon
28 Sep20:43 i  i  i i`- Re: A few curious questions1Dan Cross
28 Sep18:16 i  i  i `* Re: A few curious questions4Bill Gunshannon
28 Sep20:45 i  i  i  `* Re: A few curious questions3Dan Cross
28 Sep21:58 i  i  i   +- Re: A few curious questions1Ian
29 Sep19:57 i  i  i   `- Re: A few curious questions1Simon Clubley
28 Sep15:48 i  i  `- Re: A few curious questions1Dan Cross
24 Sep 26 i  `* Re: A few curious questions2Stephen Hoffman
25 Sep13:30 i   `- Re: A few curious questions1Michael S
2 Jul 26 +* Re: A few curious questions3Dave McGuire
15 Sep 26 i`* Re: A few curious questions2Kragen Javier Sitaker
20 Sep 26 i `- Re: A few curious questions1Dave McGuire
15 Sep 26 `- Re: A few curious questions1Kragen Javier Sitaker

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