Re: What is pay-to-win?

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Sujet : Re: What is pay-to-win?
De : noway (at) *nospam* nochance.com (JAB)
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Date : 31. Mar 2024, 09:30:29
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On 29/03/2024 17:01, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
The video tries to define "pay to win" to broadly. It does so under
the justification that different people have different qualifications
for what 'winning' consists of; for some people, it points out, they
haven't 'won' a game until you've done everything there is to do in
the game. Therefore, if certain levels or cosmetics are hidden behind
a paywall, you can't truly win until you shell out some extra cash.
 But a definition that broad is pointless. As the videographer himself
points out, under these rules even having the money to buy the game
(and hardware), or the time to play a game could be considered 'pay to
win'. After all, if I don't have the $60 to buy "Doom", I'll never
'win' it despite the fact that it's a one-time purchase.
Personally I think, could be wrong of course, that was quite deliberate to show that what people consider pay to win has a wide variation and that's why they tried to cut it up into a scale.
For variation, there used to be someone on the WoT forums that would argue quite vehemently that it wasn't pay to win as you couldn't use money to get 80%+ win-rates overall. This is in a game where a 60%+ win-rate puts you in the top 0.1% of the playerbase.
Personally though I tend to agree with your position that it's about pay to have an in-game advantage.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
29 Mar 24 * What is pay-to-win?19JAB
29 Mar 24 +* Re: What is pay-to-win?2Justisaur
31 Mar 24 i`- Re: What is pay-to-win?1JAB
29 Mar 24 +* Re: What is pay-to-win?2kyonshi
30 Mar 24 i`- Re: What is pay-to-win?1Dimensional Traveler
29 Mar 24 `* Re: What is pay-to-win?14Spalls Hurgenson
31 Mar 24  `* Re: What is pay-to-win?13JAB
31 Mar 24   +* Re: What is pay-to-win?11Spalls Hurgenson
31 Mar 24   i+- Re: What is pay-to-win?1candycanearter07
2 Apr 24   i+- Re: What is pay-to-win?1Justisaur
3 Apr 24   i`* Re: What is pay-to-win?8JAB
3 Apr 24   i `* Re: What is pay-to-win?7Spalls Hurgenson
3 Apr 24   i  +- Re: What is pay-to-win?1candycanearter07
4 Apr 24   i  `* Re: What is pay-to-win?5JAB
4 Apr 24   i   +* Re: What is pay-to-win?2Justisaur
5 Apr 24   i   i`- Re: What is pay-to-win?1JAB
5 Apr 24   i   `* Re: What is pay-to-win?2Anssi Saari
6 Apr 24   i    `- Re: What is pay-to-win?1JAB
2 Apr 24   `- Re: What is pay-to-win?1Lane Larson

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