Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows --- Semantic Property of Finite String

On 3/13/25 9:48 PM, olcott wrote:

On 3/13/2025 4:21 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:

On 13/03/2025 20:48, dbush wrote:

On 3/13/2025 4:46 PM, olcott wrote:

On 3/13/2025 4:27 AM, joes wrote:

Am Wed, 12 Mar 2025 21:41:34 -0500 schrieb olcott:

On 3/12/2025 7:56 PM, dbush wrote:

On 3/12/2025 8:41 PM, olcott wrote:

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NOT WHEN IT IS STIPULATED THAT THE BEHAVIOR BEING MEASURED IS

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The direct execution of DDD

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is proven to be different than the behavior of DDD emulated by HHH
according to the semantics of the x86 language.

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Which is weird, considering that a simulator should produce the same
behaviour.
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DECIDERS ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT ON THE SEMANTIC OR SYNTACTIC PROPERTY OF
THEIR INPUT FINITE STRINGS.

And not if the input called a different simulator that didn't abort.
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Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly
reach its own final state no matter what HHH
does.
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Replacing the code of HHH1 with an unconditional simulator and subsequently running HHH1(DD) does reach its
own final state.
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If someone was not a liar they would say that
these are different computations.
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Only because one changes the code that DD runs and one doesn't

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It hardly matters. Either his emulation faithfully and correctly establishes and reports (for EVERY program anyone cares to feed it) the actual halting behaviour exhibited by the program it's emulating, or it doesn't.
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 _DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov  ebp,esp  ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add  esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop  ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]

Not a program, and can not be correctly emulated beyond address 0000217A as it goes outside the input.

 That everyone expects the behavior of the directly
executed DDD to be the same as DDD correctly emulated
by HHH1 is verified as a factually correct expectation.

Because it will be, at least when DDD is actually a program will all its code specified.

 That everyone expects the behavior of the directly
executed DDD to be the same as DDD correctly emulated
by HHH is verified as a factually incorrect expectation.

But it will be when DDD is actually a program with all its code specified.
You are accepted that fact by failing to provide the first instruction, actualy correctly emulated by HHH that differed for the emulation by HHH1.

 It is very common for people to be so well indoctrinated
that they reject verified facts out-of-hand without review.

Yes, as you have because you have brainwashed yourself into refusing to look at what you are saying, to the point that you have admitted that all you work is just a fraud since you admit that you have changed core terms of art from the definitions in the system, violating the basic premise of logic.

 

If it doesn't, it doesn't, and it's a lot of fuss over nothing.
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But if it /does/, then we're right back at Turing's proof, because a working emulator is just another way of running the code, and is therefore superfluous to requirements. It adds nothing to the debate, because we can just run the code and get the same answer the emulator would provide.
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 For the first time in the history of mankind it proves
that a simulation of a virtual machine according to
the semantics of this machine language
DOES NOT ALWAYS HAVE THE SAME BEHAVIOR AS THE DIRECT
EXECUTION OF THIS SAME MACHINE

WHAT "PROOF"?
You have

 PATHOLOGICAL SELF REFERENCE DOES CHANGE SEMANTICS
PATHOLOGICAL SELF REFERENCE DOES CHANGE SEMANTICS
PATHOLOGICAL SELF REFERENCE DOES CHANGE SEMANTICS
PATHOLOGICAL SELF REFERENCE DOES CHANGE SEMANTICS

Nope, your problem is you system doesn't HAVE semantics, since you aren't dealing with actual programs, because you have just lied to yourself about what you are doing,

 "This sentence is not true"
is neither true nor false because of PSR
 This sentence is not true: "This sentence is not true"
The exact same word-for-word sentence
IS TRUE IN THIS DIFFERING CONTEXT THAT DOES NOT HAVE PSR.

Nope, you are just showing that you have no idea at all about how to do logic.
Sorry, but you have trashed your reputation and buried it under your pile of POOP.

 

In other words, the emulator is a canard, a distraction, a cul-de-sac, and a complete waste of time. If it happens to work, great! Well done that man. But it doesn't affect the HP logic one microscopically minuscule millijot.
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 The emulator proves the actual behavior specified by the
INPUT INPUT INPUT INPUT INPUT

Only if it actually does, by being correct.

 That people disagree with the semantics of the x86 language
proves how deeply indoctrinated they are.
 

No, we understand the x86 lamguage, you are the one that thinks you can change the meaning of instructions based on "stipulations" that are contradictory to fact.
Sorry, you are just proving you are nothing but a pathological lying idiot.