Re: Analysis of Flibble’s Latest: Detecting vs. Simulating Infinite Recursion ZFC

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Sujet : Re: Analysis of Flibble’s Latest: Detecting vs. Simulating Infinite Recursion ZFC
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 21. May 2025, 17:51:11
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On 5/21/2025 11:09 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
On 21/05/2025 16:54, olcott wrote:
On 5/21/2025 12:56 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
On 21/05/2025 06:23, olcott wrote:
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Do you mean like how ZFC resolved Russell's
Paradox thus converting "set theory" into "naive set theory"?
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No, because there is no paradox in the Halting Problem. A proof by contradiction is not a paradox.
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A self-contradictory input and a proof by contradiction
are not the same thing.
 Agreed.
 
A proof by contradiction would
conclude that "this sentence is not true" is true because
it cannot be proved false.
 A proof by contradiction would conclude that 'by assuming A was possible we have derived a contradiction. We conclude that A is not possible'.
 There is no self-contradictory input because such an input is impossible.
 
ZFC shows how a whole way of examining a problem can be
tossed out as incorrect and replaced with a whole new way.
 The Halting Problem shows how there are some problems that cannot be computed by a finite algorithm.
 
The HP proofs are based on defining a D that can
actually do the opposite of whatever value that H returns.
No such D can actually exist.
 That an algorithm for ascertaining whether an arbitrary program with arbitrary input halts cannot actually exist is precisely what the Halting Problem proves.
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*You aren't paying enough attention*
The counter-example input D to the conventional HP
proofs that actually does the opposite of whatever
H returns cannot possibly exist.
If you think that it can exist then prove that it
exists by encoding it in C.
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Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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