Sujet : Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theoryDate : 10. Jul 2025, 10:02:14
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On 2025-07-09 12:31:59 +0000, olcott said:
On 7/9/2025 3:29 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-08 14:18:32 +0000, olcott said:
On 7/8/2025 2:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-07 13:57:28 +0000, olcott said:
On 7/7/2025 3:20 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-06 14:48:45 +0000, olcott said:
On 7/6/2025 3:30 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-05 15:18:46 +0000, olcott said:
On 7/5/2025 4:06 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-04 20:16:34 +0000, olcott said:
https://claude.ai/share/48aab578-aec3-44a5-8bb3-6851e0f8b02e
Perhaps an artificial idiot can think better than you but it does
not think better than most participants of these discussions.
Yet you cannot point out any actual error.
There is no error in your above quoted words.
What is not provable is not analytic truth.
I totally agree. Not only must it be provable it must
be provable semantically not merely syntactically.
In order to prove anything a proof must be syntactically correct.
Then the conclusion is semantically true if the premises are.
Not exactly. Some of logic is wrong.
There is no example where ordinary logic derives a false conclusion from
true premises. Other logics may contain mistakes so they should not be
used unless proven valid.
The one that I have in mind derives a true conclusion
from false premises.
True conclusion from false premeises is fairly common. But that is not
relevant.
It proves that logic is fundamentally incorrect on this point.
Logic must be a sequence of truth preserving operations or it is wrong.
Your straw man logic is incorrect. Whenever ordinary logic has been
compared to reality it is found to be correct.
Logic belongs to analytical truth, reality belongs to
empirical truth. They are not the same.
Nevertheless, ordinary logic is empirially valid.
It is a truism the the POE violates the requirement of
truth preserving operations. People that learn things by
rote do not notice this.
The requirement of truth preserving operations only applies to proofs.
In that context the requirement can be further restricted. A small
set of inference rules, even a singlet, is sufficient if you have s
sufficiently rich set of axiom rules.
-- Mikko
Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof
Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof