Sujet : Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theoryDate : 04. Aug 2024, 20:05:40
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On 8/4/24 2:49 PM, olcott wrote:
On 8/4/2024 1:38 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 8/4/24 10:46 AM, olcott wrote:
When we define an input that does the opposite of whatever
value that its halt decider reports there is a way for the
halt decider to report correctly.
>
int DD()
{
int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
if (Halt_Status)
HERE: goto HERE;
return Halt_Status;
}
>
int main()
{
HHH(DD);
}
>
HHH returns false indicating that it cannot
correctly determine that its input halts.
True would mean that its input halts.
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>
But false indicates that the input does not halt, but it does.
>
I made a mistake that I corrected on a forum that allows
editing: *Defining a correct halting decidability decider*
1=input does halt
0=input cannot be decided to halt
And thus, not a halt decider.
Sorry, you are just showing your ignorance.
And, the problem is that a given DD *CAN* be decided about halting, just not by HHH, so "can not be decided" is not a correct answer. In this case, an HHH1(DDD) that just returns 1 would be correct since your HHH(DDD) returns 0. (Note, HHH1(DDD) is deciding the SAME DDD, that calls HHH)
By your logic, a trivially correct Halt Decider would be a decider that just always returns 0.
You don't get to redefine that meaning of the answers.
>
Sorry, you ar just proving you are a pathological liar that doesn't understand what truth is.
Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
4 Aug 24 | Defining a correct halt decider | 67 | | olcott |
4 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halt decider | 45 | | Richard Damon |
4 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 44 | | olcott |
4 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 43 | | Richard Damon |
4 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 42 | | olcott |
4 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 20 | | Richard Damon |
4 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 19 | | olcott |
4 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 18 | | Richard Damon |
4 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 17 | | olcott |
5 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 16 | | Richard Damon |
5 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 15 | | olcott |
5 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 14 | | Richard Damon |
5 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 13 | | olcott |
5 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 12 | | Richard Damon |
5 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 11 | | olcott |
5 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 10 | | Richard Damon |
5 Aug 24 | You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction | 9 | | olcott |
5 Aug 24 | Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction | 8 | | Richard Damon |
5 Aug 24 | Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction | 7 | | olcott |
5 Aug 24 | Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction | 6 | | Richard Damon |
5 Aug 24 | Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction | 5 | | olcott |
5 Aug 24 | Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction | 4 | | Richard Damon |
5 Aug 24 | Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction | 3 | | wij |
5 Aug 24 | Re: You still seem too dishonest to admit that DDD correctly emulated by any HHH cannot possibly reach its own ,"return" instruction | 2 | | olcott |
6 Aug 24 | Re: Olcott still seems too dishonest to admit that his HHH doesn't correctly emulate DDD | 1 | | Richard Damon |
7 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 21 | | Mikko |
7 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 20 | | olcott |
8 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider (Which isn't a valid criteria for a decider) | 1 | | Richard Damon |
8 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 18 | | Mikko |
8 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 17 | | olcott |
8 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 4 | | Python |
8 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 3 | | olcott |
9 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 1 | | Richard Damon |
9 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 1 | | Python |
9 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 1 | | Richard Damon |
9 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 11 | | Mikko |
9 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 10 | | olcott |
10 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 1 | | Richard Damon |
10 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 8 | | Mikko |
10 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 7 | | olcott |
10 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 3 | | Richard Damon |
10 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 2 | | olcott |
10 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 1 | | Richard Damon |
11 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 3 | | Mikko |
11 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 2 | | olcott |
11 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halting decidability decider | 1 | | Richard Damon |
5 Aug 24 | Re: Defining a correct halt decider | 21 | | Mikko |
5 Aug 24 | I call it a halting decidability decider | 20 | | olcott |
5 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider | 14 | | Python |
5 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider | 13 | | olcott |
6 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider. | 5 | | Richard Damon |
6 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider. | 4 | | olcott |
6 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider. | 3 | | Richard Damon |
6 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider. | 2 | | olcott |
6 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus isn't actually a computability decider. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
7 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider | 7 | | Mikko |
7 Aug 24 | HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input | 6 | | olcott |
8 Aug 24 | Re: HHH decides a trivial semantic non-property of its input | 1 | | Richard Damon |
8 Aug 24 | Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input | 3 | | Mikko |
8 Aug 24 | Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input | 2 | | olcott |
9 Aug 24 | Re: HHH decides a non-trivial semantic property of its input | 1 | | Richard Damon |
8 Aug 24 | Re: HHH decides a trivial non-semantic non-property of its input | 1 | | Richard Damon |
6 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider, and thus doesn't say anything about the halting problem | 1 | | Richard Damon |
7 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider | 4 | | Mikko |
7 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider | 3 | | olcott |
8 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider | 1 | | Richard Damon |
8 Aug 24 | Re: I call it a halting decidability decider | 1 | | Mikko |