Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof

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Sujet : Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 04. Jul 2025, 21:24:04
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On 7/4/25 4:16 PM, olcott wrote:
https://claude.ai/share/48aab578-aec3-44a5-8bb3-6851e0f8b02e
 
Since you LIE with the following statement;
Termination Analyzer HHH simulates its input until
it detects a non-terminating behavior pattern. When
HHH detects such a pattern it aborts its simulation
and returns 0.
Since there is no such pattern in the input, since its execution halts, since HHH DOES return 0 as you stipulated, this statement is just a lie of asserting the existance of a condition that doesn't exist.
Note, its first conclusion was:
Both analyzers correctly identify the termination behavior, demonstrating that the halting problem's undecidability doesn't prevent practical termination analysis in specific cases where patterns can be detected.
Note the conditional WHERE PATTERS CAN BE DETECTED. Since there is no correct pattern, HHH can't detect what doesn't exist, and thus if it ACTUALLY did what you claimed was its algorithm, it would run forever and fail to be a decider.
So, all you are doing is proving that you logic is based on lying, and that AI isn't smart enough yet to detect that lie.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
4 Jul21:16 * Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof33olcott
4 Jul21:24 +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof9Richard Damon
4 Jul23:08 i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof8olcott
5 Jul08:43 i +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof4Fred. Zwarts
5 Jul16:28 i i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof3olcott
6 Jul01:14 i i +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
6 Jul10:15 i i `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Fred. Zwarts
5 Jul13:54 i `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof3Richard Damon
5 Jul16:37 i  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof2olcott
6 Jul01:20 i   `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
5 Jul09:46 +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Mikko
5 Jul10:06 `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof22Mikko
5 Jul16:18  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof21olcott
6 Jul09:30   `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof20Mikko
6 Jul15:48    `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof19olcott
6 Jul17:41     +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
7 Jul09:20     `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof17Mikko
7 Jul14:57      `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof16olcott
8 Jul00:10       +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
8 Jul08:41       `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof14Mikko
8 Jul15:18        `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof13olcott
9 Jul09:29         +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof11Mikko
9 Jul13:31         i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof10olcott
9 Jul15:04         i +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof6joes
9 Jul15:16         i i+* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof4olcott
10 Jul10:05         i ii+* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof2Mikko
10 Jul15:09         i iii`- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1olcott
10 Jul12:26         i ii`- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
9 Jul16:09         i i`- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1olcott
10 Jul10:02         i `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof3Mikko
10 Jul15:09         i  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof2olcott
10 Jul15:55         i   `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1olcott
9 Jul12:09         `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon

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