Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--

Liste des GroupesRevenir à c theory 
Sujet : Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--
De : anw (at) *nospam* cuboid.co.uk (Andy Walker)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 28. Mar 2024, 18:43:49
Autres entêtes
Organisation : Not very much
Message-ID : <uu46o5$3lnud$1@dont-email.me>
References : 1 2 3 4
User-Agent : Mozilla Thunderbird
On 28/03/2024 16:07, olcott wrote:
Yet it seems that wij is correct that 0.999... would seem to
be infinitesimally < 1.0.
That /cannot/ be correct in the "real" numbers, in which there
are no infinitesimals [basic axiom of the reals].  In other systems of
numbers, it could be correct, but that will depend on what is meant by
"0.999..", and note that if you appeal to something that mentions limits
to define this, then you have to explain how infinite and infinitesimal
numbers are handled in the definition.

      One geometric point on the number line.
[0.0, 1.0) < [0.0, 1.0] by one geometric point.
Until you describe the axioms of what you mean by "geometric
point" and "number line", this is meaningless verbiage.  Give your
axioms, and it becomes possible to discuss this.  Until then, we are
entitled to assume that you and Wij are talking about the "traditional"
"real" numbers [as used in engineering, etc.] in which there are no
infinitesimals, and so the only interpretation we can make of the size
of "one geometric point" is the usual "measure", which is zero.
To repeat [to both you and Wij]:  *Show us your axioms, and this
may perhaps be worth discussing.*  In particular, we need to know where
and why you are departing from standard axiomatisations of the reals.
[For the latter, simplest is to google for "axioms of real numbers",
which throws up dozens of articles ranging from elementary to extremely
advanced.]
--
Andy Walker, Nottingham.
    Andy's music pages: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music
    Composer of the day: www.cuboid.me.uk/andy/Music/Composers/Couperin

Date Sujet#  Auteur
28 Mar 24 * Definition of real number ℝ167wij
28 Mar 24 `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ166Fred. Zwarts
28 Mar 24  +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ4wij
28 Mar 24  i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ3Fred. Zwarts
28 Mar 24  i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ2wij
28 Mar 24  i  `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ1Fred. Zwarts
28 Mar 24  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ161Andy Walker
28 Mar 24   `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--160olcott
28 Mar 24    +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--7Andy Walker
28 Mar 24    i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--6olcott
28 Mar 24    i +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--2wij
29 Mar 24    i i`- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Andy Walker
28 Mar 24    i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--3Andy Walker
28 Mar 24    i  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--2olcott
29 Mar 24    i   `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Andy Walker
29 Mar 24    `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--152Richard Damon
29 Mar 24     `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--151olcott
29 Mar 24      `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--150Richard Damon
29 Mar 24       +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--148olcott
29 Mar 24       i+- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
29 Mar 24       i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--146Keith Thompson
29 Mar 24       i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--145olcott
29 Mar 24       i  +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--10Keith Thompson
29 Mar 24       i  i+* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--8olcott
29 Mar 24       i  ii`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--7Andy Walker
29 Mar 24       i  ii `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--6olcott
29 Mar 24       i  ii  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--5Fred. Zwarts
29 Mar 24       i  ii   +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--3wij
29 Mar 24       i  ii   i+- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1wij
29 Mar 24       i  ii   i`- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
29 Mar 24       i  ii   `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1olcott
29 Mar 24       i  i`- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Fred. Zwarts
29 Mar 24       i  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--134Richard Damon
29 Mar 24       i   `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--133olcott
29 Mar 24       i    `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--132Fred. Zwarts
29 Mar 24       i     +- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1olcott
30 Mar 24       i     `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--130Keith Thompson
30 Mar 24       i      `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--129olcott
30 Mar 24       i       +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--125Keith Thompson
30 Mar 24       i       i+* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--2Keith Thompson
30 Mar 24       i       ii`- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Ross Finlayson
30 Mar 24       i       i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--122olcott
30 Mar 24       i       i +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--5Keith Thompson
30 Mar 24       i       i i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--4olcott
30 Mar 24       i       i i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--3André G. Isaak
30 Mar 24       i       i i  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--2olcott
30 Mar 24       i       i i   `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Keith Thompson
30 Mar 24       i       i +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--3Fred. Zwarts
30 Mar 24       i       i i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--2olcott
30 Mar 24       i       i i `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
30 Mar 24       i       i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--113Fred. Zwarts
30 Mar 24       i       i  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--112olcott
30 Mar 24       i       i   +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--7Richard Damon
30 Mar 24       i       i   i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--6wij
30 Mar 24       i       i   i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--5Richard Damon
30 Mar 24       i       i   i  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--4wij
30 Mar 24       i       i   i   `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--3Richard Damon
30 Mar 24       i       i   i    `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--2wij
30 Mar 24       i       i   i     `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
30 Mar 24       i       i   +- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Fred. Zwarts
30 Mar 24       i       i   `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--103Fred. Zwarts
30 Mar 24       i       i    `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--102olcott
30 Mar 24       i       i     `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--101Fred. Zwarts
30 Mar 24       i       i      +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--98olcott
31 Mar 24       i       i      i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--97Fred. Zwarts
31 Mar 24       i       i      i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--96olcott
31 Mar 24       i       i      i  +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--94Fred. Zwarts
31 Mar 24       i       i      i  i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--93olcott
31 Mar 24       i       i      i  i +- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
1 Apr 24       i       i      i  i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--91Fred. Zwarts
1 Apr 24       i       i      i  i  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--90olcott
1 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--88Fred. Zwarts
1 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--87olcott
1 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--57Fred. Zwarts
1 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--56olcott
1 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--14André G. Isaak
1 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i i+* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--6André G. Isaak
1 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i ii`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--5wij
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i ii +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--3wij
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i ii i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--2Ben Bacarisse
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i ii i `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1wij
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i ii `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1olcott
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--7olcott
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--6Fred. Zwarts
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i i  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--5olcott
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i i   +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--3Fred. Zwarts
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i i   i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--2olcott
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i i   i `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i i   `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i +- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--40Fred. Zwarts
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--36olcott
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  i+* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--34Fred. Zwarts
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  ii`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--33olcott
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  ii +- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  ii `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--31Fred. Zwarts
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  ii  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--30olcott
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  ii   +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--28Fred. Zwarts
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  ii   i+- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1olcott
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  ii   i`* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--26Keith Thompson
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  ii   i +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--19olcott
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  ii   i `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--6Mike Terry
4 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  ii   `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
3 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  i`- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i i  `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--3Mike Terry
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i +* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--28Keith Thompson
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   i `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
2 Apr 24       i       i      i  i   `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
31 Mar 24       i       i      i  `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1Richard Damon
30 Mar 24       i       i      `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--2olcott
30 Mar 24       i       `* Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--3Andy Walker
29 Mar 24       `- Re: Definition of real number ℝ --infinitesimal--1wij

Haut de la page

Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.

NewsPortal