Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###

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Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 19. May 2024, 13:15:25
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On 19/05/24 05:50, olcott wrote:
On 5/18/2024 10:45 PM, immibis wrote:
On 19/05/24 05:27, olcott wrote:
Yes and several people also continue to point out that D
correctly simulated by H can reach its own line 06 and halt
even when an execution trace of H simulating itself simulating
D proves otherwise.
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You don't understand that a correct simulation does the same thing as the real program. A correct simulation of D doesn't reach line 06 if D outside of a simulation doesn't reach line 06.
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If D outside of a simulation reaches line 06 but D inside of a simulation doesn't reach line 06 then the simulation is wrong.
 *We have not gotten to that point in the dialog yet*
 
we got to it many times before

Every element of an infinite set of H/D pairs matching a template
where H correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D thus including
0 to ∞ recursive simulations of H simulating itself simulating D.
*No D correctly simulating by H ever reaches its own line 06 and halts*
this doesn't make sense

Date Sujet#  Auteur
17 May 24 * Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###21Alan Mackenzie
18 May 24 +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###19olcott
18 May 24 i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###18André G. Isaak
18 May 24 i +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
18 May 24 i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###12olcott
19 May 24 i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###11André G. Isaak
19 May 24 i i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###10olcott
19 May 24 i i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###8immibis
19 May 24 i i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7olcott
19 May 24 i i  i +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
19 May 24 i i  i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###5immibis
19 May 24 i i  i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4olcott
19 May 24 i i  i   +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
20 May 24 i i  i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2immibis
20 May 24 i i  i    `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Mikko
19 May 24 i i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
18 May 24 i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4olcott
18 May 24 i  +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
18 May 24 i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Fred. Zwarts
18 May 24 i   `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
18 May 24 `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott

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