Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###

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Sujet : Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 27. May 2024, 16:43:09
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On 5/27/2024 9:58 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/27/24 10:39 AM, olcott wrote:
typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int D(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
08
09       int main()
10       {
11         H(D,D);
12         return 0;
13       }
The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs where D is
correctly simulated by either pure simulator H or pure function H. This
was done because many reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly
switch which H/D pair was being referred to.
Correct Simulation Defined
    This is provided because many reviewers had a different notion of
    correct simulation that diverges from this notion.
    A simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates 1 to N of the
    x86 instructions of D in the order specified by the x86 instructions
    of D. This may include M recursive emulations of H emulating itself
    emulating D.
When we see that D correctly simulated by pure simulator H would remain
stuck in infinite recursive simulation then we also know that less than
an infinite number of steps is not enough steps for D correctly
simulated by pure function H to reach its own simulated final state at
line 06 and halt.

When D correctly simulated by pure simulator H cannot possibly reach
its own simulated final state at line 06 and halt in an infinite number
of simulated steps we can conclude that less than an infinite number of
steps is also not enough steps for D to halt.
>
 But ONLY for THAT D, the one built on the pure simulator that never aborts.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_game
*I updated my words to address your persistent shell-game ploy*
The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs where D is
correctly simulated by either pure simulator H or pure function H. This
was done because many reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly
switch which H/D pair was being referred to.
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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18 May 24 +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
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20 May 24  i i  +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
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19 May 24  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###52olcott
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22 May 24  i i     i  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3olcott
22 May 24  i i     i  i i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1immibis
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22 May 24  i i     i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4James Kuyper
22 May 24  i i     i   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Kenny McCormack
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