Sujet : Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ -- key details
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logicDate : 01. Jun 2024, 21:26:55
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On 6/1/2024 1:52 PM, joes wrote:
Am Sat, 01 Jun 2024 09:37:01 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 6/1/2024 2:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-05-31 15:35:18 +0000, olcott said:
*A quick summary of the reasoning provided below*
The LHS is behavior that embedded_H is allowed to report on.
There is no restrictions on what embedded_H is allowed to report on.
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embedded_H is only allowed to report on the behavior that its finite
string Turing Machine Description specifies to a UTM.
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embedded_H <is> a UTM except that it stops simulating and reports
non-halting as soon as it correctly recognizes a non-halting behavior
pattern that is specified by its input.
"Except". So it is not an UTM.
When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
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(a) Ĥ copies its input ⟨Ĥ⟩
(b) Ĥ invokes embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
(c) embedded_H simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
(d) simulated ⟨Ĥ⟩ copies its input ⟨Ĥ⟩
(e) simulated ⟨Ĥ⟩ invokes simulated embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
(f) simulated embedded_H simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
(g) goto (d)
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embedded_H is not allowed to be applied to Ĥ ⟨Ĥ⟩ because inputs can
only be finite strings and Ĥ is not a finite string. This means
that embedded_H is not allowed to report on its own actual behavior.
I can't read that notation. What is H^ and what does it look like?
*Here is the whole Linz proof*
I simplified the Linz notation at the bottom of page 2 of the proof.
https://www.liarparadox.org/Linz_Proof.pdf-- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Geniushits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
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23 May 24 | Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 186 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 23 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 10 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 9 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 8 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 7 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 6 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 5 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 3 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 12 | | Fred. Zwarts |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 5 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 3 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 6 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 5 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 4 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 3 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 154 | | Fred. Zwarts |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 153 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 152 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 151 | | olcott |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 150 | | Richard Damon |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 149 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 1 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 147 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 146 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 145 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 144 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 143 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 140 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 139 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 138 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 137 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 134 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 133 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 132 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 131 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 130 | | Richard Damon |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 129 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 128 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 6 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 5 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 4 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 3 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 121 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 120 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 119 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 118 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 117 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 116 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 115 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 114 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 113 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 112 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 109 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 108 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 6 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 5 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 101 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 100 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 99 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 98 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 97 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Dishonest? | 96 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 95 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 94 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 93 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- | 92 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 4 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 3 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 2 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz proof | 1 | | Richard Damon |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz | 87 | | olcott |
26 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 --- Linz | 86 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 85 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 84 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 83 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 82 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 4 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 3 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 2 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 77 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 3 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 2 | | olcott |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 1 | | Richard Damon |
27 May 24 | Re: A simulating halt decider applied to the The Peter Linz Turing Machine description ⟨Ĥ⟩ | 73 | | olcott |
25 May 24 | Re: D correctly simulated by pure function H cannot possibly reach its, own line 06 | 2 | | Alan Mackenzie |
26 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 2 | | Fred. Zwarts |
24 May 24 | Re: Can you see that D correctly simulated by H remains stuck in recursive simulation? | 8 | | Mikko |