Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry

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Sujet : Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 08. Jun 2024, 07:43:55
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On 2024-06-07 13:49:09 +0000, olcott said:

On 6/7/2024 12:49 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-06-06 15:06:22 +0000, olcott said:
<Professor Sipser agreed>
   If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
   until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
   stop running unless aborted then
    H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
   specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</Professor Sipser agreed>
 // Simplified Linz Ĥ (Linz:1990:319)
// Strachey(1965) CPL translated to C
void P(u32 x)
{
   if (H(x, x))
     HERE: goto HERE;
}
 People here that are experts in the C programming language know that
*P correctly simulated by H cannot possibly stop running unless aborted*
yet lie about this or to try to get away with the strawman deception
CHANGE-THE-SUBJECT fake rebuttal.
 People here who have recently followed these discussions know that "P
correctly simulated by H cannot possibly stop running unless aborted"
does not confirm or contradict anything Linz and Strachey have said.
 When P correctly simulated by H meets this criteria
   If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input P
   until H correctly determines that its simulated P would never
   stop running unless aborted then
Still unproven whther P ever meets those criteria, in particular
the last "correctly".

   H can abort its simulation of P and correctly report that P
   specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
 My first paper in simulating halt deciders has all of the details
including showing the execution trace of P correctly simulated
by H proves a repeating state thus meets the above criteria:
  Begin Local Halt Decider Simulation at Machine Address:c36
  machine   stack     stack     machine    assembly
  address   address   data      code       language
  ========  ========  ========  =========  =============
[00000c36][002117ca][002117ce] 55          push ebp
[00000c37][002117ca][002117ce] 8bec        mov ebp,esp
[00000c39][002117ca][002117ce] 8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00000c3c][002117c6][00000c36] 50          push eax       // push P
[00000c3d][002117c6][00000c36] 8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00000c40][002117c2][00000c36] 51          push ecx       // push P
[00000c41][002117be][00000c46] e820fdffff  call 00000966  // call H(P,P)
 [00000c36][0025c1f2][0025c1f6] 55          push ebp
[00000c37][0025c1f2][0025c1f6] 8bec        mov ebp,esp
[00000c39][0025c1f2][0025c1f6] 8b4508      mov eax,[ebp+08]
[00000c3c][0025c1ee][00000c36] 50          push eax       // push P
[00000c3d][0025c1ee][00000c36] 8b4d08      mov ecx,[ebp+08]
[00000c40][0025c1ea][00000c36] 51          push ecx       // push P
[00000c41][0025c1e6][00000c46] e820fdffff  call 00000966  // call H(P,P)
Local Halt Decider: Infinite Recursion Detected Simulation Stopped
 *Halting problem undecidability and infinitely nested simulation*
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351947980_Halting_problem_undecidability_and_infinitely_nested_simulation 
--
Mikko

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4 Jun 24 * Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly28olcott
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5 Jun 24 i  `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly2olcott
5 Jun 24 i   `- Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly1Fred. Zwarts
4 Jun 24 +* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry20olcott
4 Jun 24 i`* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry19Fred. Zwarts
5 Jun 24 i `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry18Mikko
5 Jun 24 i  `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry17olcott
6 Jun 24 i   `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry16Mikko
6 Jun 24 i    `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry15olcott
6 Jun 24 i     +* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry13Mikko
6 Jun 24 i     i`* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry12olcott
7 Jun 24 i     i +- Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry1Richard Damon
7 Jun 24 i     i `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry10Mikko
7 Jun 24 i     i  `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry9olcott
7 Jun 24 i     i   +- Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry1Richard Damon
8 Jun 24 i     i   `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry7Mikko
8 Jun 24 i     i    `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry6olcott
8 Jun 24 i     i     +- Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry1Richard Damon
9 Jun 24 i     i     `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry4Mikko
9 Jun 24 i     i      `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry3olcott
9 Jun 24 i     i       `* Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry2Mikko
9 Jun 24 i     i        `- Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry1olcott
7 Jun 24 i     `- Re: Proof that executed HH(DD,DD) and simulated HH(DD,DD) simulate DD correctly -- Mike Terry1Richard Damon
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