Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language

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Sujet : Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 02. Jul 2024, 20:43:35
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On 7/2/2024 1:59 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-01 12:44:57 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 7/1/2024 1:05 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-06-30 17:18:09 +0000, olcott said:
>
Richard just said that he affirms that when DDD correctly
simulated by HHH calls HHH(DDD) that this call returns even
though the semantics of the x86 language disagrees.
>
On 6/30/2024 7:34 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
 > It is still true that the xemantics of the x86
 > language define the behavior of a set of bytes,
 > as the behavior when you ACTUALLY RUN THEM,
 > and nothing else.
>
_DDD()
[00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d               pop ebp
[00002183] c3               ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>
Richard thinks that he can get away with disagreeing with this
verified fact:
>
The call from DDD to HHH(DDD) when N steps of DDD are correctly
emulated by any pure function x86 emulator HHH cannot possibly
return.
>
It is your HHH so you should know whether it returns. Others may
have wrong impression about it if they have trusted your lies.
>
I have never lied about this.
 At least you have claimed more than proven.
 
_DDD()
[00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d               pop ebp
[00002183] c3               ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>
DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an
emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted.
 The correctness remain unproven.
 
IT IS PROVEN BY THE SEMANTICS OF THE X86 LANGUAGE
THAT YOU REMAIN WILLFULLY IGNORANT OF SEMANTICS OF
THE X86 LANGUAGE DOES NOT MEAN IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN.
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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29 Jun 24 * People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language129olcott
29 Jun 24 +* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language23Richard Damon
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29 Jun 24 i +* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language20Richard Damon
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29 Jun 24 i i `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language18Richard Damon
29 Jun 24 i i  `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language17olcott
29 Jun 24 i i   `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language16Richard Damon
29 Jun 24 i i    `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language15olcott
29 Jun 24 i i     `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language14Richard Damon
29 Jun 24 i i      `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language13olcott
29 Jun 24 i i       `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language12Richard Damon
29 Jun 24 i i        `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language11olcott
29 Jun 24 i i         `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language10Richard Damon
30 Jun 24 i i          `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language9olcott
30 Jun 24 i i           `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language8Richard Damon
30 Jun 24 i i            `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language7olcott
30 Jun 24 i i             +- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Mikko
30 Jun 24 i i             `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language5Richard Damon
30 Jun 24 i i              `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language4olcott
30 Jun 24 i i               `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language3Richard Damon
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30 Jun 24 i ii+- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Richard Damon
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1 Jul 24 i ii    `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language37Richard Damon
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1 Jul 24 i ii        i `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language28Richard Damon
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2 Jul 24 i ii        i    i  i`* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language3olcott
2 Jul 24 i ii        i    i  i +- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Richard Damon
3 Jul 24 i ii        i    i  i `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1joes
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1 Jul 24 i ii        i     `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language3Richard Damon
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2 Jul 24 i ii        i       `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Richard Damon
4 Jul 24 i ii        `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language3joes
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4 Jul 24 i ii          `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1Richard Damon
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1 Jul 24 i i  `* Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language --- repeat until acknowledged2olcott
1 Jul 24 i i   `- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language --- repeat until acknowledged1Richard Damon
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1 Jul 24 i i i`- Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language1olcott
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