Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters

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Sujet : Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 13. Jul 2024, 14:44:50
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On 7/13/2024 3:12 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-07-12 13:35:34 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 7/12/2024 4:08 AM, Mikko wrote:
>
In that situation you should use the symobls HHH₁, HHH₂, HHH₃, ...
so that you can use HHHᵢ when you say aothing about every one of them.
And the one more symbols for the one that runs forever.
>
I did not want to say it as verbosely as that, yet your suggestion
would be clearer.
 For honest purposes clearer would be better. But understand that
different purposes mean different priorities.
 
I made it clearer using your suggestions.

And they should
not be defined to run DDD but whatever input is given.
>
I certainly can't do that. People here use every excuse
they can to change the subject and then stay on this
changed subject and never get back to the point.
 Of course you can and should. No reason to expect them to protest less
if you make more errors.
 
My current paper examines these three inputs at the C
source-code level in the simplest one first order.
void Infinite_Loop()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
}
void Infinite_Recursion()
{
   Infinite_Recursion();
}
void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
}
It then examines the simplest possible pathological input
above at the assembly language level.
Then it moves on to this input showing that its x86 execution
trace is essentially the same as DDD correctly emulated by HHH.
int DD()
{
   int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
Then the last half of the paper applies these same ideas
to the Peter Linz Turing machine based proof based on this
greatly simplified syntax.
I show that ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ simulated by adapted UTM embedded_H has
this same essential pattern as the above two, it remains
stuck in recursive simulation until its input is aborted.
When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
*Simulating Termination Analyzer H*
*is Not Fooled by Pathological Input D*
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369971402_Simulating_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_D
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7 Jul 24 * Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters133olcott
7 Jul 24 +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters3Richard Damon
9 Jul 24 i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters2olcott
10 Jul 24 i `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1Richard Damon
8 Jul 24 `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters129Mikko
8 Jul 24  `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters128olcott
9 Jul 24   +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters46Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees45olcott
9 Jul 24   i +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees40Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees39olcott
9 Jul 24   i i `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees38Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees12olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees11Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees10olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i  `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees9Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i   `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees8olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i    `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees to something different.7Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i     `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings6olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i      `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings5Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i       `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings4olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i        `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings3Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i         `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings2olcott
10 Jul 24   i i  i          `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben proves that he agrees to my meanings1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees15olcott
9 Jul 24   i i  i`* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees14Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i  i +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees4olcott
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9 Jul 24   i i  i `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees9Mikko
9 Jul 24   i i  i  `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees8Richard Damon
10 Jul 24   i i  i   `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees7Mikko
10 Jul 24   i i  i    +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees2Richard Damon
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10 Jul 24   i i  i    `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees4olcott
11 Jul 24   i i  i     +- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees1Richard Damon
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11 Jul 24   i i  i      `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees1olcott
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9 Jul 24   i i   `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)9Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i    `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)8olcott
9 Jul 24   i i     `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)7Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i      +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)2olcott
9 Jul 24   i i      i`- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i      `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)4olcott
9 Jul 24   i i       `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)3Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i i        `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)2olcott
10 Jul 24   i i         `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees (typo corrected)1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24   i `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees4Mikko
9 Jul 24   i  `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees3olcott
10 Jul 24   i   +- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees1Richard Damon
10 Jul 24   i   `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters --- Ben agrees1Mikko
9 Jul 24   `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters81Mikko
9 Jul 24    `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters80olcott
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9 Jul 24     i i i i+* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters61olcott
10 Jul 24     i i i ii+* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters31joes
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10 Jul 24     i i i iii `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt29joes
10 Jul 24     i i i iii  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt28olcott
11 Jul 24     i i i iii   `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt27Richard Damon
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12 Jul 24     i i i iii             `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt17Richard Damon
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14 Jul 24     i i i iii               i  `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt2olcott
14 Jul 24     i i i iii               i   `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt1Richard Damon
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12 Jul 24     i i i iii                `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt4olcott
12 Jul 24     i i i iii                 +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt1Fred. Zwarts
12 Jul 24     i i i iii                 +- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly halt1joes
13 Jul 24     i i i iii                 `- Re: DDD correctly but partially emulated by HHH cannot possibly be seen to halt by HHH, but do halt1Richard Damon
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10 Jul 24     i i i ii      +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters3Fred. Zwarts
11 Jul 24     i i i ii      `* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters20Mikko
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10 Jul 24     i i i `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1Richard Damon
9 Jul 24     i i +* Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters3joes
10 Jul 24     i i `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1Richard Damon
10 Jul 24     i `- Re: Sequence of sequence, selection and iteration matters1Richard Damon
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