Re: Anyone that disagrees with this is not telling the truth --- V5 --- Professor Sipser

On 8/28/2024 10:14 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 28.aug.2024 om 16:53 schreef olcott:

On 8/28/2024 9:38 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 28.aug.2024 om 14:46 schreef olcott:

On 8/28/2024 7:34 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 28.aug.2024 om 14:07 schreef olcott:

On 8/28/2024 4:00 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 27.aug.2024 om 15:32 schreef olcott:

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<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D *would never*
     *stop running unless aborted* then
<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
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HHH is only required to correctly predict whether or not DDD
*would never stop running unless aborted*

And since DDD is calling an HHH that is programmed to detect the 'special condition', so that it aborts and halts, DDD halts as well and

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*THIS IS YOUR REASONING*
If you are hungry and never eat you will remain hungry.
You are hungry and eat becoming no longer hungry.
*This proves that you never needed to eat*

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No, apparently, your understanding of logic English is very poor.

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HHH simulates DDD until it has inductive evidence that
in the purely hypothetical case where a different HHH
would never abort its emulation of DDD that DDD would
never terminate normally.

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Apparently you still do not understand that HHH should process its input, not your dreams of a pure hypothetical non-input.
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void Infinite_Loop()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
   return;
}
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In other words you are saying that HHH must report that
infinite loops halt even though halting is reaching a
final halt state and infinite loops cannot possibly reach
a final halt state.
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Your replies have stepped over the line of an honest dialogue.
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 No, you are dishonest by putting words in my mouth that I did not say.
 I said HHH should report that a *halting* program halt.
You make it that I said that HHH must report that *infinite loops* halt.

HHH must report on what the behavior of its input
WOULD BE if it never aborted it emulation.
Neither DDD nor Infinite_Loop can possibly reach
their own final halt state NO MATTER WHAT HHH DOES..
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