Re: Defining a correct halt decider

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Sujet : Re: Defining a correct halt decider
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 05. Sep 2024, 09:39:41
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On 2024-09-03 13:17:56 +0000, olcott said:

On 9/3/2024 3:44 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2024-09-02 16:06:11 +0000, olcott said:
 
A correct halt decider is a Turing machine T with one accept state and one reject state such that:
 If T is executed with initial tape contents equal to an encoding of Turing machine X and its initial tape contents Y, and execution of a real machine X with initial tape contents Y eventually halts, the execution of T eventually ends up in the accept state and then stops.
 If T is executed with initial tape contents equal to an encoding of Turing machine X and its initial tape contents Y, and execution of a real machine X with initial tape contents Y does not eventually halt, the execution of T eventually ends up in the reject state and then stops.
 Your "definition" fails to specify "encoding". There is no standard
encoding of Turing machines and tape contents.
 That is why I made the isomorphic x86utm system.
By failing to have such a concrete system all kinds
of false assumptions cannot be refuted.
If it were isnomorphic the same false assumtipns would apply to both.

The behavior of DDD emulated by HHH** <is> different
than the behavior of the directly executed DDD**
**according to the semantics of the x86 language
The halting problem is not about a string but about a behaviour.
Your decider is not a halt decider if it answers about another
behaviour.
--
Mikko

Date Sujet#  Auteur
2 Sep 24 * Defining a correct halt decider41olcott
2 Sep 24 +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
3 Sep 24 `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider39Mikko
3 Sep 24  `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider38olcott
3 Sep 24   +* Re: Defining a correct halt decider10joes
3 Sep 24   i`* Re: Defining a correct halt decider9olcott
4 Sep 24   i +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
4 Sep 24   i +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1joes
4 Sep 24   i +* Re: Defining a correct halt decider5Fred. Zwarts
4 Sep 24   i i`* Re: Defining a correct halt decider4olcott
5 Sep 24   i i +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
5 Sep 24   i i +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
5 Sep 24   i i `- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Fred. Zwarts
12 Sep 24   i `- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1immibis
4 Sep 24   +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
4 Sep 24   +* Re: Defining a correct halt decider5Fred. Zwarts
4 Sep 24   i+* Re: Defining a correct halt decider3olcott
5 Sep 24   ii+- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
5 Sep 24   ii`- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Fred. Zwarts
6 Sep 24   i`- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Mikko
5 Sep 24   `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider21Mikko
5 Sep 24    `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider20olcott
5 Sep 24     +* Re: Defining a correct halt decider4joes
5 Sep 24     i`* Re: Defining a correct halt decider3olcott
6 Sep 24     i +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
6 Sep 24     i `- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Fred. Zwarts
6 Sep 24     +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
6 Sep 24     `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider14Mikko
6 Sep 24      `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider13olcott
7 Sep 24       +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
7 Sep 24       +* Re: Defining a correct halt decider7Mikko
7 Sep 24       i`* Re: Defining a correct halt decider6olcott
8 Sep 24       i +* Re: Defining a correct halt decider4Mikko
8 Sep 24       i i`* Re: Defining a correct halt decider3olcott
8 Sep 24       i i +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Mikko
8 Sep 24       i i `- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
8 Sep 24       i `- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Fred. Zwarts
7 Sep 24       `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider4Fred. Zwarts
7 Sep 24        `* Re: Defining a correct halt decider3olcott
7 Sep 24         +- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Richard Damon
8 Sep 24         `- Re: Defining a correct halt decider1Fred. Zwarts

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