Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1

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Sujet : Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 28. Mar 2025, 00:36:33
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On 3/27/2025 1:27 PM, dbush wrote:
On 3/27/2025 1:50 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/27/2025 2:18 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 27.mrt.2025 om 04:09 schreef olcott:
On 3/26/2025 8:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
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_DDD()
[00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec       mov  ebp,esp  ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404     add  esp,+04
[00002182] 5d         pop  ebp
[00002183] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
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Non-Halting is that the machine won't reach its final staste even if an unbounded number of steps are emulated. Since HHH doesn't do that, it isn't showing non-halting.
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DDD emulated by any HHH will never reach its final state
in an unbounded number of steps.
>
DDD emulated by HHH1 reaches its final state in a finite
number of steps.
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It is not very interesting to know whether a simulator reports that it is unable to reach the end of the simulation of a program that halts in direct execution.
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That IS NOT what HHH is reporting.
HHH correctly rejects DDD because DDD correctly
emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach its own
final halt state.
 In other words, HHH is not a halt decider because it is not computing the required mapping:
 
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21 Mar 25 i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined441Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined440olcott
21 Mar 25 i i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined436Mikko
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22 Mar 25 i i i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined433Richard Damon
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22 Mar 25 i i i i ii`- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 21Mikko
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26 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---380Richard Damon
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27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i   `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---378Richard Damon
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29 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i      `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH17olcott
29 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       +- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
29 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH14joes
29 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH13olcott
29 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       i +- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
30 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       i `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11joes
30 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Mikko
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH13joes
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i    `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH12olcott
29 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i     `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11joes
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1337Fred. Zwarts
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i      `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1336olcott
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1319dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1318olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1317dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i  `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1316olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i   `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1315dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i    `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1314olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i     `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1313dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i      `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1312olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH160dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH159olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH142dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH141olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH137dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH136olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH111joes
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH110olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH13dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH12olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i +- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
29 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH15Fred. Zwarts
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i +- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH123dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH13Richard Damon
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH111Fred. Zwarts
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH15Fred. Zwarts
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1251Richard Damon
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH17Fred. Zwarts
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH18joes
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
26 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   `- Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---1joes
25 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          i`- Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---1Richard Damon
25 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---13olcott
23 Mar 25 i i i i i i i `- Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---1Mikko
23 Mar 25 i i i i i i `- Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---1Mikko
22 Mar 25 i i i i i `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 2 addendum1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i i i i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 24Mikko
22 Mar 25 i i i `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined1Mikko
21 Mar 25 i i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined3Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined7Mikko
20 Mar 25 +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined3Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 `* DDD correctly emulated by EEE --- Correct Emulation Defined35olcott

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