Re: Can there be a truth without a truthmaker?

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De : F.Zwarts (at) *nospam* HetNet.nl (Fred. Zwarts)
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Date : 08. Apr 2024, 10:52:58
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Op 07.apr.2024 om 17:33 schreef olcott:
On 4/7/2024 4:09 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 07.apr.2024 om 04:14 schreef olcott:
On 4/6/2024 9:08 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 10:34:38 +0300, Mikko wrote:
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On 2024-04-06 01:26:49 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro said:
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On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 18:57:44 -0500, olcott wrote:
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There are only two kinds of truth:
(a) Analytic truth where expressions of language are true on the basis
of their meaning. Example: "All dogs are animals."
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(b) Empirical truth, expressions of language that rely on sense data
from the sense organs. Example: "There is a dog in my living room
right now."
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Which kind of truth is that statement?
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It is an analytic truth as it is true by the meaning of the words.
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Can you offer a proof of that?
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Cats are animals thus are not fifteen story office buildings
is true on the basis of the meaning of its words.
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The meaning of the word "Cats"is not unambiguous. It depends on the context. So, it is not only the meaning of the word, but also the context.
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 When the living animal "cat" is assigned this unique GUID 66a33333-a238-4086-8e58-b1382e1aab5d the meaning of 66a33333-a238-4086-8e58-b1382e1aab5d does not depend on context.
 
I see. Olcott is not talking about natural language (which does not use such GUIDs), but about another 'system'. In natural language, the meaning of a word does not only depend on the word itself, but also its context. The dictionary shows me several different meanings of the word 'cat', some of which have nothing to do with animals.

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